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PostSubject: Photos of progress   Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:08 pm

Hey guys...could someone tell me how to post photos. I've never done such a thing before, Dew or photos. Would like to show my dew collection setup... pretty basic but it will work and thanks to mo1 for another great idea on the fresnel lens I should receive mine before collecting our dew. It should be able to greatly increase the effects of moon and stars on the dew! I am using an SD 1GB memory chip with an adapter to my PC.
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Wed Apr 29, 2009 11:19 pm

There is a photo hosting systm with this forum. It is a pain in the but to use.
I use Photo bucket. You have to upload pics to photo bucket then use photo
buckets system to create a link and copy and paste the link into your post.
Understand that the photos have to be placed into the post as you write it.
You cannot come back and add pics into the middle of your post after you
have already typed it up. It will not accept it.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Thu Apr 30, 2009 9:39 pm

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Ok I think I got it...Here I have intentionally over heated/pressureized the flask to get a better idea as to the stoppers ability to hold a seal without having to use Egg-whites and Plaster of Paris. All seems well. I tried with hollow pennyhead stoppers/w no E-W & P-P and the stopped popped off at around 180F. I'm certain I can perform our operation without the use of any other seal, no pressure loss then nothing else lost right? Feedback very welcome.
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Fri May 01, 2009 2:57 pm

Hi Kevin,

is that a 2 l flask you're using? I hope that's not dew in the flask. The flask should be only half full. When you use 250 ml (about 250 g) as suggested you would need a 500 ml flask. Why don't you use ground stoppers with a clamp? That's the professional way and is supposed to keep a vacuum. It stands the pressure of a temp. of well over 392°F/200°C.


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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Fri May 01, 2009 9:34 pm

Yes it is a 2 l flask and no it is not dew. Only distilled water... testing only... I've read two versions though, one says fill 1/2 another says 2/3 which is right? As you can see the water is not boiling even though the temp says it should boil...means I have a good seal right? When I collect the dew next weekend I plan on using a 1 l flask with 500ml or 750ml of dew...After charging can I not divide the contents into two smaller containers before saturating with gold in one and silver in the other filter out what does not dissolve, then go through the multiplication cycles in there separate flasks...If not please tell me so I don't make a costly mistake in effort and time. I'd rather use two 500ml flasks with success than one 1 l flask and have failure.

Thanks Frank & thanks MO-1 for you priceless feedback!

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Fri May 01, 2009 10:40 pm

You will not need much of the stone from gold and it will be very expensive to make, so I plan on setting aside a good portion of the philisophical mercury for ingestion and storgage. If our 500 ml. of dew holds almost a cup of salt then the same elixir would perhaps hold almost as much gold. That would be very expensive. cyclops I think I am going to go with a half full vessel unless it is a small one then I will fill it up just a bit more. Very Happy


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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 02, 2009 12:07 am

I am going to try to post some pics... scratch

This is some frost I collected in April.






I am putting a groove in my corks so I can tie them down.



I bought the corks at Natural Wine Corks.
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 02, 2009 11:15 am

Has anyone said if a cork is sufficient to hermetically seal for this dew process? I think it should be but then again, it might also help to soak the cork in wax. I don't know. Also, I like your pics! You can see clearly where the shadow of the moon must have been.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 02, 2009 7:22 pm

Kevin,

Nick has already commented that the 1. letter recommended a ¾ filled up flask and the 2. letter ( Rams) a ½ filled up flask. I’d rather use the ½ choice because of better circulation and more room for overpressure. In my many years of alchemy I have found out that the safer way is always the better one. If you have plenty of dew you can of course use 500 ml in a 1 l flask and then separate for the gold and silver digestions. It is not a question of success or failure it is a question of can you get enough dew, do you have enough equipment (two hot plates, a lot of gold to saturate the alkahest, flasks etc.) and the stress of 2 processes at the same time? Some of the information has been mentioned before. So it is a very good suggestion for you Kevin to read all the back posts.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 02, 2009 7:44 pm

Hi Field,

I agree with you and your colleague of the IOA Wilfried. He has clearly stated :>> For me sadly I used cork stoppers which were a really bad choice. << that his using corks has ruined his process. I only find ground glass or quartz stoppers acceptable or maybe Teflon/labplastic as Kevin’s.

The letter recommends glass or wooden stoppers.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 02, 2009 11:41 pm

Frank,

Thanks for the advice about the clamps. I will go over the back posts throughout the week so I can be better prepared.
I think you're right it's more practical to work with smaller amounts. I will use less gold and silver as well! I do have ground hollow penny-head stoppers 24/40, being hollow will they withstand the pressure?

Thanks again Frank!

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sun May 03, 2009 1:18 am

Thank you Frank and Field about the corks. I will use another stopper. I will probably go with glass, now just need to study up on how to seal it good, the corks were so tight they seemed perfect. Any help is much appreciated. To keep this forum organized luting discussion should go in its own thread. And Field, your pictures with the difference between the frost on the two globes was amazing. Light induced frost who would have thought that? That is a breakthrough science on its own. I can't wait to experiment with that. It just doesn't make good sense, (just like dew and salt.) The Lord works in mysterious ways.


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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Mon May 04, 2009 5:14 am

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I do have ground hollow penny-head stoppers 24/40, being hollow will they withstand the pressure?

If they are ground they are supposed to hold the pressure because the temp. for this process is pretty low. Turn them slightly and fix them with clamps (like Don did). They should keep a vacuum so nothing should escape.

For the nervous: It is no mistake to use as lutem on top of it like Nick described in his Moses Path. I personally think lutem is not necessary with ground stoppers because they are supposed to keep a vacuum. And who wants to distrust the scientists?Wink

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Fri May 15, 2009 10:36 pm

Well all. I was able to collect 490ml of dew from 5/7 thru 5/12 and added 20ml Holy water. On 5/14 I added a total of 1 cup of flower of the ocean sea salt. It really seems I over did it with the salt but after 4 days I can filter out what ever doesn't get absorbed into the water. Right now the water is pretty cloudy I'm sure it's because I added so much salt. Has anyone else gone overboard with the salt. Am I correct in that I can filter out the excess. I think 1/2 a cup would have been about right. Photobucket" border="0" alt="" /> Photobucket I was careful not to let the temp rise anywhere near 70F the temp in my homemade lab is around 64F.
I kept the dew in a small fridge. by the time I took these photos the temp of the dew/salt was 47F.Photobucket This photo shows the walgreens heating pad. I will keep things together with some good oldfashion clothes hanger clips, in test maintained 115F on low. I bought a battery backup unit just in case. We will get at least a couple power outages throughout the spring and summer.Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />The photo above and below are 24 hrs into saturatingPhotobucket" border="0" alt="" />


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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 16, 2009 12:23 am

Hi Kevin,

Just to reasure you, the instructions say that you *need* to oversaturate it. That is the only way to know that it is saturated enough, when you see salt on the bottom that could not be taken up into the water.
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 16, 2009 2:37 pm

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I personally think lutem is not necessary with ground stoppers because they are supposed to keep a vacuum. And who wants to distrust the scientists

Yes they are able to keep a vacuum if they are luted with grease. But keeping PRESSURE is a whole different story, and ground glass stoppers do a terrible job of keep pressure without letting out any gas. The best thing to use is thread glass stoppers.
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sat May 16, 2009 3:38 pm

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I personally think lutem is not necessary with ground stoppers because they are supposed to keep a vacuum. And who wants to distrust the scientists

Yes they are able to keep a vacuum if they are luted with grease. But keeping PRESSURE is a whole different story, and ground glass stoppers do a terrible job of keep pressure without letting out any gas. The best thing to use is thread glass stoppers.

Nick welcome back. Your advice has come for me with great timing. I gather that with the ground stoppers I'm using I MUST use lutem or the spirit will escape, and I don't want that to happen! I did get Plaster of Paris at an earlier time as recommended. I've noticed that during the saturation process salt has leached it's way to the top of the stopper in the flask. If salt can do such a thing I can only imagine the spirit could do it far more easily! I wiped the salt off with my finger and ate it! Couldn't hurt right? So once luted with P of P & Egg whites I'll be good to go right?
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Mon May 18, 2009 11:12 pm

Hi all!
Well it's been 4 days of saturation. Here are some photos. The first one below is before filtering notice the salt that leached to the top of the flask.
Photobucket" border="0" alt="" /> The next two are after six filterations.Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />Photobucket" border="0" alt="" /> The next two are after twelve filterations.Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />Question. Do I need to filer the salt till the dew/salt solution becomes clear or just to the point where the salt no longer settles? I'm thinking as long as the salt doesn't settle anymore. For now I will let it rest to see if anymore salt settles. Opinions very welcome!

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Tue May 19, 2009 7:21 am

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Yes they are able to keep a vacuum if they are luted with grease. But keeping PRESSURE is a whole different story, and ground glass stoppers do a terrible job of keep pressure without letting out any gas. The best thing to use is thread glass stoppers.

Thanks for the insight, Nick. Instead of grease I would have used Teflon sleeves.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Tue May 19, 2009 7:35 am

Nick

I too would like to know more about thread stoppers. I looked, but had no luck finding any. Will I have to buy new flasks with thread joints as well?
What is the source you use?

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Wed May 20, 2009 10:22 pm

Hi all!
Well after two more days there was a small amount of salt at the bottom of the flask. The next two photos were taken after filtering a total of 26 times.
I will wait another two days and see if there is any more settling. If none, then It's a go!
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Fri May 22, 2009 1:59 am

Qglass.com sells flasks with threaded stoppers which they can make to your specifications. I can't remember if they are in the catalog, but I know they can make any type of custom flasks you want, probably even a quartz egg with a threaded stopper, or threads in the middle section so it forms a perfect egg.
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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sun May 24, 2009 11:54 pm

Hi guys!

The two photos below are of the last 12 filterations I did, 38 in total. Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />
The next three are after the lutem has dried and I have begun the 1st B/M of 40-50 days. I cleaned the stopper and flask joint with distilled water then let dry completely before sealing. I gave it a pretty tight twist. You can see good circulation forming. My 1st try guys wish me success! Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />Photobucket" border="0" alt="" />
I'll post regular updates and photos.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Mon May 25, 2009 10:14 pm

I checked the lute seal and it's cracking alot...I now think that I didn't mix the lute thick enough and ended up with contraction. I have a feeling that it's not going to endure the full duration. Does anyone think that I should break off the cracked lute and re-lute while it is in the B/M or just leave it. At this point I'm certain the seal hasn't been compromised. I could mix some lute thicker to hopefully avoid contraction/cracking? Hears the latest photos.

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PostSubject: Re: Photos of progress   Sun Jun 07, 2009 12:23 am

The lute needs to cover a lot more of the neck than what you show in these photos, and I'm very doubtful you can obtain a true seal using this method. A screw top quartz or glass stopper is the only sure seal, but even that can let air out if it's not made properly.
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