| Of salts and solvents | |
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| Subject: Of salts and solvents Mon Aug 03, 2009 10:35 am | |
| I thought it would be a good idea to start a thread about salts and solvents, so that it can be easily cross referenced for study ,and connect the dots.... There have been many developments lately relating to these subjects. All I ask is to not post any processes that may be dangerous to experiment with, for the safety of those whom are inexperienced. Please give the philosophical name, the scientific name, slang name, where you found it (books), and anything else you want. Please do not post a process for a material that is ILLEGAL to possess example: Nitric Acid.
Here are a few to get this started:
Salts:
Sal Volatile. Ammonium Carbonate Glaubers Work, he speaks of using "his Sal Ammoniak", from this I deduced ammonia salt, he then said it can be found in many warehouses but "his Sal Ammoniak" is special. I deduced that he was speaking of Sal Volatile made from his urine, It is also known as baker's ammonia which was very common in the middle ages. You can not buy ammonium carbonate from a store as it is illegal to possess, it is instead made from 2 other ammonia salts. So it must be made from urine. There are several other instances of the use of this salt to form a stone. I believe that this may very well be a great salt for these processes.
Microcosmic Salt. an acid sodium ammonium phosphate, found in blood and natural waters.
Caustic marine alkali. Caustic soda. Sodium hydroxide. Made by adding lime to natron.
Common salt. Sodium chloride.
Glauber's Salt. Sodium sulphate.
Quicklime. Calcium oxide.
Slaked lime. Calcium hydroxide.
Butter of Antimony. White crystalline antimony trichloride. Made by Basil Valentine by distilling roasted stibnite with corrosive sublimate. Glauber later prepared it by dissolving stibnite in hot concentrated hydrochloric acid and distilling.
Chalk. Calcium carbonate.
Gypsum. Calcium sulphate.
Natron. Native sodium carbonate.
Soda ash. Sodium carbonate formed by burning plants growing on the sea shore. Vitriolate of Tartar. potassium sulfate
Sorrel Salt. acetosella, salt of lemon, potassium hydrogen oxalate
Nitre. Saltpeter, potassium nitrate
Sal Eratus. potassium hydrogen carbonate
Kurrol's salt. a potassium phosphate, with ion-exchange properties
Diuretic salt. potassium acetate
Epsom salts. magnesium sulfate
Tartar of Wine. potassium hydrogen tartrate
Sal Ammoniac. ammonium chloride
Sal De Duobus. potassium sulfate
Sal Nixum. potassium hydrogen sulfate
Sal Sapientiae. mercury(II) ammonium chloride
Plimmer's salt. sodium antimony tartrate
Wood-ash or potash. Potassium carbonate made from the ashes of burnt wood.
Caustic wood alkali. Caustic potash. Potassium hydroxide. Made by adding lime to potash.
Liver of sulphur. Complex of polysulphides of potassium, made by fusing potash and sulphur.
Caustic volatile alkali. Ammonium hydroxide.
Nitrum flammans. Ammonium nitrate made by Glauber.
Sal Aeratus. potassium hydrogen carbonate Solvents:
Acetone. dimethyl ketone
Spirits of Wine. Ethyl Alchohol distilled from wine
Aqua Fortis. nitric acid
Vitriolic. sulpheric acid
Oil of Vitriol. Sulphuric acid made by distilling green vitriol.
Corrosive sublimate. Mercuric chloride. first mentioned by Geber, who prepared it by subliming mercury, calcined green vitriol, common salt and nitre.
Homberg's salt. boric acid
Acid of salt. acidum salis, marine acid, muriatic acid, spirit of salt, hydrochloric acid
Acid of Sugar. oxalic acid
Aqua Regia or Aqua Regis. literally "water of the king", a mixture of concentrated nitric and hydrochloric acids
Aqua Vitae. literally, "water of life"; concentrated aqueous ethanol, typically prepared by distilling wine |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Tue Aug 04, 2009 8:55 pm | |
| I would like to see more people add to this thread, about the ways they are used and for what purpose and processes so that we can get a larger picture of exactly how the stone is made. Then from there we can come up with the fastest strongest possible process to use over and over again. |
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NDC Admin
Number of posts : 599 Age : 43 Location : beyond the veil Registration date : 2008-12-26
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Wed Aug 05, 2009 6:06 pm | |
| - goatz wrote:
- Then from there we can come up with the fastest strongest possible process to use over and over again.
Nothing is faster than the dry path which doesn't use any solvent at all. Solvents are only for the wet path, and actually they are a misleading way of making the stone. And you are not going to find a "solvent" that works to make the stone faster than dew by the Ruesentein method. By making list of all the different "solvents" used in all the different round-about methods to the stone, you are only going to loose yourself in a maze inferior paths. | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Wed Aug 05, 2009 8:51 pm | |
| I understand. Than I will concentrate on the Rusenstein methods only until I find the process of which you speak.
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Thu Aug 06, 2009 12:37 am | |
| Have done 80 hrs of research in the past 8 days and my eyes are bleeding, and my head is throbbing. What others find obvious and simple eludes me, I knew nothing of alchemy, but my heart told me to trust Nick, which is very unlike me. I have spent countless hours trudging through alchemy texts and doing my damnedest to make sense of it all, but I am beginning to think my own ineptitude is too great to overcome this matter. I need a break, and am beginning to wonder if I was even meant to do this, not that I want to quit, but I am getting so confused by all of the alchemical jargon, riddles, and incomplete recipes that want you to figure it out yourself. I have had to make all of my own lab equipment from basically junk, and all I want to do is help people who need it. I don't have the desire to make even one gram of gold for selfish purposes, I'm really only interested in the elixir. I'm done ranting, I will be gone for a few days to pick up what semblance of sanity I have left. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Thu Aug 06, 2009 1:41 am | |
| Hey Goatz, I know how you feel... Been there, done that, bought the t-shirt ;-) But really you cannot make sense of old alchemy texts unless you already understand the alchemists philosophy.. That said, you need only the right sources to begin with.. Then the rest will follow. I recommend the book Real Alchemy by Robert Bartlett. And then the Alchemy courses by Jean Dubuis. Somewhere in this forum somebody posted a link to the torrent of the PON Alchemy courses. Study those and the doors of the temple will fly open before you. And remember that a lot of old books on alchemy were meant to mislead people and they cannot be trusted. |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:53 am | |
| maybe you would like to study the theoretical part of Franz Bardons "Initiation Into Hermetics" (~ page 8-38). but don't do any magical training yet |
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NDC Admin
Number of posts : 599 Age : 43 Location : beyond the veil Registration date : 2008-12-26
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Fri Aug 07, 2009 5:28 pm | |
| Goatz, I can't understand why you are complaining about reading a bunch of alchemy processes and not understanding them. I've already done all the work for you-- after my next edition of the book comes out, there will be at least 3 very easy to understand paths in there.
So why do you believe you have to spend day and night reading random alchemy books that are difficult to understand? And the irony is, even if you do eventually understand those books, none of them will be faster or superior to the ones in my book. So what's the point?
I read alchemy books because I enjoy putting myself in the author's place, back in time hundreds of years ago, working hard to make the stone without help from anyone. Their stories are very inspirational, and they write about chemistry in a way so spiritual, it makes you regain your appreciation for it, instead of just following boring step by step instructions with no emotion in them.
If you don't enjoy reading alchemy texts, then don't. What is it you think you will not have if you don't force yourself to read all those books?
I highly suggest the only book you read is "Potpourri Alchemia" because it has the most amazing paths to the stone, plainly written, including the dry path (but he doesn't reveal just how incredibly fast it can be done). I even have a hard copy of that book which I got printed at qoop.com because it's that amazing of a book. It contains a collection of manuscripts which Hanz Nintzel didn't have any place for in the RAMS files, so he put them all together in a book. Really it makes no sense that he "couldn't find a place for them" because the RAMS collections is just a bunch of books and manuscripts anyway, so what does he mean? I think he collected all the best books that contained the best methods, and chose to put them all together in a "master collection", which he then titled Potpourri Alchemia because of the rich variety of texts it contains.
Truly, if you were only going to read a single book in the RAMS collection, I highly recommend this one. It's 250 pages of treasure, and only costs 12 bucks US to have printed at qoop.com | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Fri Aug 07, 2009 10:02 pm | |
| Compendium seems to be a real treasure too |
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Hyramposey
Number of posts : 38 Age : 69 Location : El Paso Registration date : 2009-03-12
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Sat Aug 08, 2009 12:59 am | |
| Nick, When can we expect your new book to be out? I for one, am getting anxious! Blessings, Hyram | |
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Guest Guest
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Sat Aug 08, 2009 5:26 pm | |
| - NDC wrote:
- It's 250 pages of treasure, and only costs 12 bucks US to have printed at qoop.com
How exactly do you get a book printed at qoop.com ? The only option I see pertaining to this would be the Publish app but you need to own the copyright or have permission and qoop forces you to share so many pages with the public when you try to do it that way. Could you please explain in more detail when you have the time my friend. Thanks |
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NDC Admin
Number of posts : 599 Age : 43 Location : beyond the veil Registration date : 2008-12-26
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:48 pm | |
| Qoop lets you have your own private collection of books that nobody else can see. Included in my private collection is the Potourri Alchemia book. I don't think the owner's of RAMS would have any problem if I want to make hard copies of the books I paid for; it's no different than printing out the books on your home printer.
Eventually I plan to make hard copies of every single book in the RAMS collection, so I can have a nice big alchemy library for my future children to get lost in. | |
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NDC Admin
Number of posts : 599 Age : 43 Location : beyond the veil Registration date : 2008-12-26
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Sat Aug 08, 2009 7:50 pm | |
| - Hyramposey wrote:
- Nick,
When can we expect your new book to be out? I for one, am getting anxious!
Click on the download link at the homepage of the Alchemy-Illuminated website. | |
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philalethes
Number of posts : 27 Age : 79 Location : Ashland, Oregon Registration date : 2008-12-26
| Subject: new book? Sun Aug 09, 2009 11:20 pm | |
| i clicked on the eclipse link and got version 2 (Jan 09) of the dew pdf. It appears to be updated at the end but i haven't made full comparison. I would have expected you to put a new revision date on it. | |
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yeshua
Number of posts : 65 Registration date : 2009-01-15
| Subject: Re: Of salts and solvents Mon Aug 10, 2009 1:48 am | |
| I think nick means to click the book on the main page where the videos and link to the forum are. Not the one with the clouds and music. The page that talks about the book has the answer.And yes I'm glad the original letter is in the book now. I think I know why nick included it to if you know what I mean. | |
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philalethes
Number of posts : 27 Age : 79 Location : Ashland, Oregon Registration date : 2008-12-26
| Subject: web site hangs Mon Aug 10, 2009 3:58 pm | |
| per the page http://alchemy-illuminated.com/documents/not_ready.html the book is not yet ready | |
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