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PostSubject: About Athorène pages   Mon Jan 19, 2009 1:56 pm

Hi :-)

As I have seen (above) a french reference about DEW, I have tried to translate some extracts of it in good english :


Extract on the Dew alchemical Laboratory of Athorène Pages 156 - 161


Dew. Take some quantity of dew of May, - which is full of subtle spirit - and distil approximately half of it by boilers with the balneo-mary, or moderately hot sand, and rectified once what is distilled, withdrawing only the half, which you will preserve in well stopped Flasks. This water is not used only as menstrue (solvent) for the extractions, but can also be used as vehicle with many remedies, which need to be watered in some liquor. One can work in the same way on rainwater, but it is necessary to take it in March, approximately the equinox, to which time it is filled of the Universal spirit better then in any other season.

Glaser employs right words: Universal spirit, equinox, and even March and May; as for the rainwater, it is almost an exact assimilation which is formulated there.

With the dew, we enter concretely in the field of the marvellous. Indeed, this night condensation, under influence of the Moon, is, according to the Tradition, the privileged vehicle of the Universal spirit.



In the phonetic cabale, the dew identify itself with harmoniac salt, or armoniac. For Pline, sulphate of ammonia is salt of sands (ammos = sand), but by rectifying the saga salt, one discovers Ammon-Râ, the great « olaire » god of the Egyptians, symbolized by a ram. Ammon’s Salt, or scel of harmony between the Sky and the Earth, it is during spring equinox that it should be most taken. As for the armoniac Lémery seems to adopt the sandy interpretation : … armoniac Salt of Elders was no other thing that the volatile salt of the camels urine and several other animals which passed in great number by extremely hot countries, as by the deserts of Lybie, by Arabia. The urine of these animals was drink little time after being made by the great heat of the Sun, and one could found his volatile salt sublimated at the surface of sands. Perhaps that’s the reason one give it the name of Sal Armoniacum, one collected it and one preserved it in vessels of glass; but we hardly any more see this genuine armoniac salt, either because there is not enough camels passing through these hot places, or one neglects to collect this salt one finds there…



One collects the dew at the end of the night, preferably when the Moon is full. Even with good weather, it is sometimes frozen, it is then necessary to await that a sun ray induce fusion, people of the cities don’t know that ; as for those of the countryside, if they wake up early, they are not unaware that the dew freezes sometimes in full summer. We collect it by sponging on grass. If the meadow is vast, it is enough to drag a large absorbing fabric, but for grass dispersed, a simple floorcloth is more practical. The linens must be perfectly clean, removed from any trace of detergent, a few tens of rinçage rinsings with rainwater are not superfluous before the first harvest. All the containers and objects intended for its contact must also be carefully cleaned.


The dew is odourless; it presents the aspect of a light infusion, its color varying between the chestnut-beige and the greenish grey, both very clear, and we noticed that an infinitesimal amount of officinal ether (a molecule is enough) precipitates with long terme dyes, but naturally, this leaves the alchemical framework. After harvest, it is necessary to preserve liquor in the darkness. Preliminary, a filtering is necessary; in general, it is perfectly limpid, but contains at least some brushwood. At night, one will present it to the sky, by hoping it will keep clear, and that the influx of the Moon will still come to enrich the solution. At the same time, the rebellious suspensions difficult to filter will lay down, and could be eliminated by siphoning later on. That’s the reason why, before to use large flat basins like indicated in Mutus Liber, it is best to leave it in tall transparent and cylindrical vases (or even some bottles); one sees, during the first days, in addition to the sediments of the bottom, some particles which stick all along the generator. The surrounding masses deviate its orientation, which is by no means north; but we will not frustrate the student: he will discover himself what attracts the particles. Then, one quarantines it.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:59 am

At night, one will present it to the sky, by hoping it will keep clear,
and that the influx of the Moon will still come to enrich the solution.


Your coment above is intriguing. Are you sayin we can set our dew
back out in the moon light and infuse it with more energy. Question
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Tue Feb 10, 2009 3:05 pm

That's something I've been thinking about for a while. I don't see why it can't be done. The only things you'd have to worry about are insects, dust and evaporation. insects could be handled by a simple netting layed over the top of the dish, and evaporation isn't too much of an issue if there isn't a high wind or high temparature. For you Magnum, I think you might have a few extra problems in Dallas, aka pollution content of the atmosphere and heat (you could fry an egg on the sidewalk at midnight in October down there!). I lived the first ten years of my life in Dallas until I was finally freed from the proverbial exile. Very Happy Anyway, I think this is worth some experimentation.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Tue Feb 10, 2009 11:09 pm

True:

Experimentation is my middle name.

I have a specific reason for asking that question. But first maybe you can
"Riddle Me This Batman".
It is my understanding that the astral fire that is imparted to the dew is
transfered there by the moon light. Hence the reason for harvesting dew
on a clear night under a full moon. The question is.
Is ther any other medium of transfer other then the moon and star light
that we know of?

I ask this because I have a way of focusing the moon light into a concentrated
area of 1 to 2 inches in diameter. If the energy is transfered on the moon light
then I can concentrate a larger amount of the energy into say a 1 1/2" diameter
glass tube of dew. I am basically using a frasnel lens from a 2000 watt studio
light and spacing it at the optimum focal length away from the class tube.
I have tested the theory with a 65 watt light bulb from about 4 feet away and the
light focuses very tight. I have also taken the lens outside in the moon light and
it also focuses the moon light down to a 1 to 2 inch diameter spot.
Now, it is not as concentrated as the light bulb but we are talking about light that
is a whole lot more dispersed when it hits the lens.

What do you think? Shocked
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Wed Feb 11, 2009 4:08 am

A few questions on the nature of astral fire:

It seems to be near common knowledge at this point that the light pervading all space in the astral realm is light in the ultra-violet spectrum, one that we cannot easily perceive with our eyes. Keeping this in mind, is the astral fire not merely a refraction of the suns rays in the UV spectrum? This means, to me, that this fire is always around us, ever present, the case seems to be that during the day there is an additional energy being imprinted on all things that is undesired in the dew, or even evaporates the spirit from the dew, maybe imprinting a spectrum below UV lowers the dews vibration so that the spirit cannot be with-held? Anyway, my question, keeping these thoughts in mind, is concerning black lights, or UV lamps, or whatever you call them. More importantly, the glass that the light travels through to burst out in a UV spectrum that appears blackish-bluish from our eyes. Is it not feasible to create a vessel that, as long as the temperature could be controlled to stay at or around 60 degrees, could be set in full sunlight, and would filter the sunlight through a special glass to direct it into the UV spectrum? It seems to me that if something of this nature is to be made, it would increase the astral fire being concentrated into the dew to an absolutely amazing level. Any thoughts on this?
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Wed Feb 11, 2009 8:23 am

Maybe a little experimentation is in order.

The other side of the coin is the light coming from the moon is merely
a reflection of the sun from the other side of the earth. What is the
importance of that. Also is there more to it then just the moon light?
The moons gravity effects many things here on this planet. The tides
is a supreme example of this.

I know you wanted answers not more questions.

Here is a site I found on UV filters.

www.eoc-inc.com/uv_filters.htm


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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Thu Feb 12, 2009 11:55 pm

what sort of relation exists between gravity and something's etheric essence? or is the astral fire a referred to as being more than just the astral stuff that holds something together? i guess what I'm asking is how gravity affects the astral essence of something.

thank you for the website, are those UV filters for blocking UV rays or everything but the UV rays?
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Fri Feb 13, 2009 12:19 am

They use them for UV detectors and sensors for the military. I'm sure they
only pass UV.


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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Fri Feb 13, 2009 9:15 pm

The dew is thought to contain the astral fire from the moon, but this doesn't mean the moonlight needs to be shining on the dew when it's collected.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Fri Feb 13, 2009 11:26 pm

through a bit of meditation on this the answer actually came to me last night, i'm not very much worried about using a UV light. i was thinking that i could use the light to imprint the water with more UV spectrum light, but i wasn't thinking the step above that of how the energy is imprinted with whatever the form is that has imparted it. basically, i would rather have astral energy that has been the intensity of the moon and bright shining stars that has travelled millions of light-years through space to make it here than astral energy that has had no imprint besides a black hollow tube it's been shone through.

but it still leaves me wondering; if dew really comes up through the earth's surface from the moon's gravitational pull, is the programming of the dew simply defaulted until it comes into contact with the luminance of the night sky? if this is the case, then there would be no reason that we couldn't simply imprint it with the astral fire by setting it out at night in the dim glow, so long as it is spanned over a large surface area so as to have the most light go through it as possible, and possibly hanging so as to keep it in the light directly all night.

I'm thinking of a container made from a certain glass used to concentrate moonlight (mentioned in another topic), hanging from a strong string in direct moonlight on a full moon (perhaps in may?), made to rotate constantly, with something attached to it, possibly as simple as one of those baby toys that has dangling animals, that consistantly spins.

Does this seem like a simplistic effective way to concentrate more moonlight into the dew, if doing such a thing is likely possible?
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Sun Feb 15, 2009 2:17 pm

"The dew is thought to contain the astral fire from the moon, but this doesn't
mean the moonlight needs to be shining on the dew when it's collected."


Nick:
I am not sure I understand. Are you saying we can collect the dew without direct moon light.
As long as the moon is full could it be behind a cloud bank.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:23 pm

Quote :
Are you saying we can collect the dew without direct moon light.
As long as the moon is full could it be behind a cloud bank.

Magnum, you may want to read the Golden Chain of Homer. You can find a copies of it online pretty easily. While this text concerns itself primarily with (I think) Gur experiements, the discription in the opening section about how the universal seed condenses into a more determined form should help answer your question here. On the basis of this, I don't know if it is necessary to collect dew under a clear sky, but I think it would be ideal. Our philosopher of Leyden doesn't mention specifically whether the sky needs to be clear or not, he only says that the full moon is a good season, and afterward it will be hard. Of course, one can't expect mother nature to cooperate, so just work with what you've got. I think the point is to get as much of the astral fire out of the atmosphere as possible. Because the dew condenses directly out of the atmosphere, a great deal of this power inheres directly in it. So the best time to collect the astral fire is when the level of astral fire is at its highest which is during the full moon time under aires, taurus, and a little into gemini. (See the Mutus Liber and Merelle's interpretation for more of this). It's really pretty simple, strait forward and logical when you think about it.

As a personal side interest, I actually found a Jewish prayer for dew and the traditional time to recite it is on the first night of Passover in the early Spring. In Israel in acient times, the agricultural community was dependant (and to some extent still is) on the dew in the spring and the rains in the late fall for succesfull production of crops. I just found it interesting that at the very time I will be collecting dew, it is customary in my faith to pray for it. Ah, the fun new stuff you learn every day. If you guys want, I'd be happy to post it.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Sun Feb 15, 2009 6:41 pm

Oh! Magnum,

I just noticed you have started the actual work. Congratulations!!! Lucky you're in Dallas!! I still gotta wait for warm weather. I am le- bumbed. Sad
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Mon Feb 16, 2009 5:12 pm

So, if the astral fire could be concentrated, then it can pass through glass, so wouldn't it make sense, to collect your dew at any time, then set the glass outside completely sealed, and let the astral fire pass through the glass during a full moon, and let it fill the dew with it's essence?
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Mon Feb 16, 2009 6:44 pm

if we refer to the old ones then we see that May as also something to do with the spring equinox,they even go as to say that you can also use rain at this time, at the equinox,,,i don't know guys,but we have to work with nature,and nature as is own ways,,and the old ones at this figure out a long time ago,,,now i see a lot of people just bouncing all over the place trying to change a simple fact about the order of this process ,,which is the month of May and the full moon,in something that just don't exist,i don't know but just stick with the simple things that work and be patient,,,amazing its like the owner of this forum stated in another post,,this process is simple but now we read every treads and its getting i don t no where,pure speculative fantasy ,,its maybe just to simple,some have to complicate it,, jocolor
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:20 pm

My theory is the astral energy comes down with the moon light, and the dew might come up from the earth, but it is just the container that traps and holds on to all the astral energy raining down on the earth during the night. But the astral energy doesn't travel inside the light -- it travels along with it like a magnet holding it. So it can't pass through glass or anything with the light -- it can only move through the air and directly mixes with the dew and remains trapped until the dew it heated.

Put after a long enough digestion with salt and dew, the astral spirit remains in the salt water even if you open the container and have the water heated. This is why the Alkahest is able to be heated up when you dissolve the gold leaf in it. Obviously at that stage when the Alkahest is complete, the spirit no longer can escape when heated.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:23 pm

Thanks Nick, for clearing that up for me. So, looks like I'll have to put the dew out in an open container to get the astral spirit then. Any suggestions on a filtering method, for the salt? Would a simple coffee filter work?
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Mon Feb 16, 2009 10:43 pm

Yes a coffee filter is what I used.
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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Tue Feb 17, 2009 1:50 am

Mother nature does things with the purest of simplicity. We would be wise to
follow her lead.

I also use coffee filters.
Sometimes I use a cotton ball. If you stuff a cotton ball into the neck of the
top half of a 20 oz. water bottle it makes a great filter funnel. Also the cotton
ball absorbs very little of the liquid unlike the coffee filter.

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PostSubject: Astral fire my interpretation.   Sun Mar 15, 2009 5:46 pm

My hypothesis on astral fire.
It is well known that the reason for the changes of season have to do with the angle of tilt that the earth has in relation to the sun. So naturally, since astral fire comes from the sun and its reflection off the moon, the time of year when the astral fire is purported to be the highest corresponds with the time that earth receives the most direct sunlight. At least this is the case in the northern hemisphere, I would suspect that the opposite should be true in the southern.
Anyway, I suspect that the key ingredient that becomes trapped in the dew is sublimated when it receives the energy from the sun, just like water, and therefore rises to heaven as reported by Hermes Trimegistus. It then falls to earth, as he also reported, but I would suspect more slowly in the light of the full moon, allowing time for it to become temporarily trapped in the condensed dew that forms during the night.
Upon the rising of the morning sun this substance absorbs energy in the form of radiation, or astral fire as it was known to the ancients, and thereby exhibits a tendency to do whats known as Josephson tunneling, which is the ability of a substance to bore through solid glass, and thereby to escape into the atmosphere.
Furthermore I suspect that this can also happen in the moonlight albeit at a much slower rate, and also in the presence of sufficient heat, hence the reason that it should be stored in a cool dark place.
This substance is then trapped by the addition of salt as many substances are, after all salt can be used as an excellent means of trapping various ions from the atmosphere.
Again at the present time these are just preliminary hypothesis but I intend to conduct experiments in the future in order to either support or disprove them.

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PostSubject: Re: About Athorène pages   Sun Mar 15, 2009 7:27 pm

This is my two cents...

In the months of March, April and May, three days before the full Moon, the solar Sulphur ascends from the Earth because of the heat, and exhaling like a white smoke to the higher regions of the Air, becomes totally spiritual; for the lunar cold raises it at this season. In the morning, therefore, when the rising Sun strikes cold Heaven with its rays, the frozen Moon turns the weighty solar seed and the moisture of the Earth into a clear Water, in which the four elements liquefy together with the seed of gold.

However as soon as the Sun hides his brilliance, it (the solar sulphur) is again drawn down, because it has begotten that (water) which is close to the Hermetic substance, the Sun its father, the Moon its mother, its nurse the Earth, and the Wind carried it in its belly; Then that water is taken and after philosophic sublimation it is thoroughly purified in the Hermetic Vase, the furnace and the fire, as was seen. Many have possessed this genuine material, but unless they knew the philosophical manipulation, Nature would not produce the living Sulphur of Gold from the Earth, where it naturally follows that everything is done, is born, and appears, in a wholly philosophic fashion.
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