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PostSubject: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeSat Mar 02, 2013 8:51 am

take niter and alum... distill...enjoy


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 11:40 am

The art of distillation has many useful processes, like this.


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 1:07 pm

Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 3:30 pm

SunWukong wrote:

SunWukong WRITE : take niter and alum... distill...enjoy

AND MORE PUT A QUOTE OF THE BOOK ARS DISTILLANDI PARAGRAPH NITRE LIQUID QUOTE :

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http://www.alchemywebsite.com/jfren_3.html

TO TURN SALTPETRE INTO A WATER BY A MERE DIGESTION

Take of saltpetre powdered very small and with it fill the fourth part of a bolt head. Close it well and let it stand in the heat of ashes or sand the space of six weeks, and you shall see a good part of it turned into water. Continue it in the said heat until it be all dissolved.
This is of incomparable use in fevers and against worms or any putrefaction in the body, and is indeed a most rare secret.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=saltpeter

king farao study


AND MORE

this post was not about making liquid niter Rolling Eyes

if SOMEBODY would have bothered to READ anything

saltpetre = rock salt or salt of rock

saltpeter / niter = sodium,potassium nitrate


what i posted here was literally THE FASTER LAYDEN PROCESS

and you wonder why.....
AND OF QUOTE
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SO :

NITER LIQUID OR FASTER LAYDEN PROCESS ?



Hello very likeable dear SunWukong everything you say here is very interesting and your operating indication can be very interesting thanks

ok it interesting thanks again

but now let's try to make some order and deal methodically and step by step what and what exactly do you mean?

So you please elaborate on what you mean in your post to indicate more clearly step by step?

So if as you say this to indicate that you mentioned art distillandi

is the passage of short leyden putting in deliquescence and put saltpeter in heating up to obtain a liquid form and then as you feel in your opinion how to proceed?
now

1
you believe this water obtained from saltpeter put in deliquescence is the first elixir indicated to be taken by Leyden?

2
believe as you say Leyden this liquid melt gold?
you got that? doing this experiment? have you tried?
or is it just your intuition and a working hypothesis?
I have actually tried and tested?
You can attach photos of these results obtained?

3
and then proceed as continuous as indicated by Leyden and pass the various stages of color says Leyden black white red? until obtaining the stone?
have you experienced?
or is it just your intuition and a working hypothesis?
I have actually tried and tested?
You can attach photos of these results?

4
in your opinion or what you should do anything about?

my cordial greetings alexbr

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many still in private emails seen my bad English (which always I apologize) asked me to better understand
my posts to attach the original Italian are the same ed exactly post which is attached in English above, then, if what was wrong in the management of the forum tell me now and I just immediately take away

...........................original italian.................................

Ciao molto simpatico SUNW tutto ciò che dici qui e molto interessante e le tue indicazione operative posso essere molto interessante grazie

ok tutto interessante grazie ancora

ma ora vediamo di cercare di fare un poco di ordine e affrontare passo a passo e metodicamente ciò e cosa esattamente intendi
dunque puoi please approfondire quello che intendi indicare nel tuo post con più chiarezza passo a passo ?
se questo come dici tu indichi da arte distillandi che hai citato
è il passaggio breve di leyden mettendo in deliquescenza il salnitro e messo in riscaldamento fino ad ottenerne una forma liquida tu poi come ritieni nella tua opinione come si debba procedere ?
ora :
1
tu ritieni che questa acqua ottenuta dal salnitro messo in deliquescenza sia il primo elixir indicato da assumere da Leyden

2
ritieni che come dici Leyden questo liquido sciolga l'oro ?
hai ottenuto ciò ? facendo questo esperimento ? lo hai provato ?
o è solo una tua intuizione ed ipotesi operativa?
lo hai concretamente provato e sperimentato ?
puoi allegare foto di questi risultati ottenuto?

3
e poi come continui procedi come indica Leyden e fai passare i vari stadi di colore come dice Leyden nero bianco rosso ?fino all’ottenimento della pietra ?
lo hai sperimentato ?
o è solo una tua intuizione ed ipotesi operativa ?
lo hai concretamente provato e sperimentato ?
puoi allegare foto di questi risultati ottenuti ?

4
o cosa tu nella tua opinione intendi di debba fare ?

i mie più cordiali saluti alexbr


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 3:43 pm

thats not necessary as the processes are already written out in the alchemy books, I didnt make these methods im just merely adding what is missing, since back then there was no need to add anything because there were no major processing or synthesizing of chemicals


with the leyden process you still proceed as normal, and with this process you do just that, digest the salt until you get a water/liquid

if I were giving out my own process then I would definitely write it out, im not deviating from the purpose of this forum which justin explained that this forum is about you guys processes and thats it,
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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 4:00 pm

Hello very likeable dear SunWukong
but sorry ?if you not have test it and try it ? this process of niter liquid that for you is a schor way of leyden as yuo say
as you know it funciton? and if it dissolving gold ? etc and arrived at the same result of leyden process step black withe red stone and elixir ? as know it function if yuo not try it ?

my cordial greetings alexbr


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] Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 4:14 pm

NITER LIQUID OR FASTER LAYDEN PROCESS ? of hte ars distillandi ("wet method" "dry method"??)


Hello very likeable dear SunWukong ok understand wet method" "dry method?"

BUT ??? sorry if you do not have try it ? and test it ? SO as how do you say it works if you have not tried ?and as how do you say it works to dissolvin this proces of ars distilland niter liqid dissolving the gold inside it ?? if this process you dont have test and try it ???

my cordial greetings alexbr


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Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 4:32 pm

the washing fire is actually pretty freakin awesom
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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 4:40 pm

SunWukong quote ..because i use the same ingredients and do far faster processes ... ??
Hi thanks quote because i use the same ingredients??

same ingredients ??

sorry can are more clear abaut it?

but in the process you've put ars distllandi it was said that should only be used powder sal nitro ingrediete 1 and 2 ingredinti because you say ingredients? So what? betonite clay ? hawain salt ? sal nitre ? sodio silece ? what of this is correct? what? in ars distilland say sal nitre ? what?



my cordial greetings alexbr



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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 5:06 pm

man here we go again lmfao dude just buy this salt and proceed as normal with the leyden process

http://saltworks.us/alaea.html


this is the reason why i said to add clay, this salt naturally has clays within it and its the only reason for its color
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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 5:17 pm

Hi very thanks for the response
ok SO (if i have understand well ?) you say to Leyden to use this salt hawain and saturate the dew like the systema of Leiden ok i try it

BUT then in the process of ars distillandi of liquid nitro (which you say that the short route of leyden)
also propose to use this salt Hawaian
and put it in temperature and ottenee the water with which to dissolve the gold and then proceed as leyden says the colors black, white and red?

in the way of liquid nitro of the instruction ars distillandi which secodo you is the right temperature to be kept in the sealed jar to get the water to melt the gold

my cordial greetings alexbr

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my posts to attach the original Italian are the same ed exactly post which is attached in English above, then, if what was wrong in the management of the forum tell me now and I just immediately take away

.................original italian ...............

molte grazie della risposta
ok tu dici ( se ho capito bene ?) di usare questo
sale e saturare la rugiada come nel systema di leida ok

ma dunque nel processo di ars distillandi del nitro liquido ( che tu dici che la via breve di leyden )
proponi anche di usare questo sale hawaiano
e metterlo in temperatura e di ottenee l'acqua con cui sciogliere l'oro e poi procedere come dice leyden per i colori nero bianco e rosso ?

nella via del nitro liquido dell'istruzione ars distillandi quale è secodo te è la giusta temperatura da tenere nel vaso sigillato per ottenere l'acqua che scioglierà l'oro

i mie più cordiali saluti alexbr


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Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes Rolling Eyes


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 5:57 pm

hi very thanks
ok in leyden so you use dew and salt hawaian and made a pross of Leiden ok

BUT the process of ars distillandi of liquid nitro ?

BUT then in the process of ars distillandi of liquid nitro (which you say that the short route of leyden)
also propose to use this salt Hawaian
and put it in temperature and so obtain the water with which to dissolve the gold and then proceed as leyden says the colors black, white and red?

in the way of liquid nitro of the instruction ars distillandi which in your opinion is the right temperature to be kept in the sealed jar to get the water to melt the gold?

what made this process of ars distlland nitrum liquid that you have quote with hawain salt ? can pkease speak about it clear and exact step by step?

black ravens is a salt cultivated of chain gold homero or ? what is the different of hawain salt ? wath is in this photo ? that step ? is not clear it

my cordial greetings alexbr


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its not liquid nitro dude

with all of these questions why dont you just do the experiement man Neutral
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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeFri Mar 15, 2013 6:24 pm

the ravens head is the first step to the great work I thought you would know this Shocked



how about we just scrap this post then i had no idea
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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeSat Mar 16, 2013 4:29 am

SunWukong WRITE : Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:51 am

take niter and alum... distill...enjoy


AND MORE PUT A QUOTE OF THE BOOK ARS DISTILLANDI PARAGRAPH NITRE LIQUID QUOTE :

PostSubject: making liquid niter Sat Mar 02, 2013 7:51 am

http://www.alchemywebsite.com/jfren_3.html

TO TURN SALTPETRE INTO A WATER BY A MERE DIGESTION

Take of saltpetre powdered very small and with it fill the fourth part of a bolt head. Close it well and let it stand in the heat of ashes or sand the space of six weeks, and you shall see a good part of it turned into water. Continue it in the said heat until it be all dissolved.
This is of incomparable use in fevers and against worms or any putrefaction in the body, and is indeed a most rare secret.

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=saltpeter


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Oggetto: Re: making liquid niter Ieri a 6:07 pm

this post was not about making liquid niter Rolling Eyes

if SOMEBODY would have bothered to READ anything

saltpetre = rock salt or salt of rock

saltpeter / niter = sodium,potassium nitrate


what i posted here was literally THE FASTER LAYDEN PROCESS

and you wonder why.....


SunWukong END OF QUOTE
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Hi very thanks many questions sure
so dear very simpatic SunWukong I might like it and I appreciate very very much your intuitions and your hypotesis of work wet and dry and maybe your intuition is correct and maybe you have eral reason and i hope this
BUT SO plesae you also must understand that is necessary more clear you must understood that all you say is yes interesting maybe but is new and change all and many of this interpretation your is different of all ideas of many so is necessary are clear and step by step for made that all understand that is your very important and very particular work and instructions

because before to experiment test trry and verification all is absolutly understand well what must do that salt use and as use it

i am also ( as i think all) very happy to made and test all your hypotesis but for made this is important understand well

and all this sorry but is not so clear

ESANPLE:
take niter and alum... distill...enjoy

THAT MEENS THIS ?? WHAT DO THIS ??

AND MORE :
1) in the experiment of nitro liquid ars distillandi no say made elixir or important think
but only generic cure of fever etc not very important and so no much interesting

2 but you say is important so ok maybe you have reason but is not write so ?

3 and so in experiment nitrun liquid is indication of ars distillandi is write dust of nitro now sal havaian

4 silce or in not same and ALL is not so clear


5 if you speak clear step by step of nitrum liquid ( fast way leyden maybe with hawaiam salt but salt hawaian in ars distillandi is not write that SO ??in ars distillandi thre are write DUST OF SALT NITER ?? SO what in your opinion must do ??)
and whet way Leyden sure all here are very happy to try but more clear please step by step please


SunWukong quote your post before:
the ravens head is the first step to the great work I thought you would know this making liquid niter 31378610200899394266286 SunWukong here end pfoto and quote of the your post SunWukong



Shocked What a Face SURE i know very well (see my esperimet on one salt nature in the some phohos but i not have sorry recognized your photo because is not clear ) and also for this i have say chain gold of homere that give indications to create salt by clay or land and water
see instructions-for-prime-materia
http://www.illuminated-alchemists.com/t400-instructions-for-prime-materia
ESAMPLE :
making liquid niter Saltearthhumus2making liquid niter Nacimientodelasal361429making liquid niter Cristalesensumpliacion3



making liquid niter Aaa4filamentsle15042011


BUT NB this salt create of land hunus clay etc as say Golden chain of homero BUT sorry is not silce gel is not hawaian salt ?? is in all text tis salt create is salt nitre ??? SO?? Shocked

(or also the salt can arrived and create in same method by marcassite of glauber ( glaber very disputed alchemist / chemist ) vitriol natural prpocerss see book alchemical compendium or work of glauber in rams or Aurora of Paracelso ,the book of Abraham etc or by bismut salt in deliquescence as in the Thesauro Thesaurorum )

SO i like very much and I appreciate very very much your intuitions your hypotesis but is necessary please you must put it more clear it because Unfortunately, the methods are not very clear, indicating in particular it is not clear how to work and how to make the method of liquid nitro you say to be the method leyden short please because it is not clear sorry

SORRY BUT WHY YOU HAVE CHANGE ? and put out all answers amd your photo that you have before give in answer of the your POST that you have send before in this thread by this process of liquid nitre?? why ??

my best cordial regards alexbr


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PostSubject: making liguid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeSat Mar 16, 2013 8:43 am

Alexbr I think you need to read all of sunwoks post as the provide every thing you need to know and if you did some lab work you would realise this . We are all hear to learn . Sun Has shared a great deal of knowleg about how to get the results that every one on this forum was looking for but some are just to blind to see it just my 2 cents worth most are asking to be spoonfed every thing because they are to lazy to do any of the research for them selfs . and need there hand held every step of the way .I know this forum was set up to share and he has shared alot It has opend my eyes and I Thank Him for this . No offence is intended alexbr ther was a reason the alchemist wrote in riddles to keep the unworty from knowing. sun has shared much but it is up to us to put the peices togeather and make it work.

Now on to clays they contain vairable amount s of silicates, Iorn , magnesium
alkaline earths and alkaline metals and basic salts of nature .

Thank you Sunwok
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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeSat Mar 16, 2013 11:54 am

Hi alkem5161

But I state with all the sympathy toward the guidelines and operating assumptions and insights of SUN that NB for me is very sympathetic and of which I admire and respect fully share his ideas in the social and the aid with elixir and alchemy etc the sick and the suffering person

NOW CLARIFIED AND REITERATED THIS PROPER AND RIGHT AND JUST INTRODUCTION
I must tell you alkem5161 now I have a lot of work in the laboratory with the salt of the earth and also salts made with the clay and the pictures I put them show my work done in the lab on this and as I have also said in the other thread http://www.illuminated-alchemists.com/t400-instructions-for-prime-materia
BUT all these manipulations similar to the creation of the salts as in the photo on the proceedings of the Golden Chain Homero and of gluber sal marcassite vetriol nuatural methos see Compendium Alchemical as Aurora of Paracelso ( this is very interestig and simple method very beatifull color blak withe green yellov red but the resul very little) similar book of Abrahan ,and the salt of bisnuth in deliquescence with rain water in Thesauro Thesaurorum etc what I'm sorry but i must tell it in my experience excuse
( as i have say ) BUT all it sorry very dear and sympathetic SUN !!! al this experiment with clay betonite clay salt sea and clay it give only very little resul sorry SUN but this is the true sorry dear and sympathetic SUN !!! :

BUT all it not never dissolves the gold not became a treatment of serious diseases not hair growth no regressions rejuvenation no immortality not cure cancer etc

NB sorry dear and sympathetic SUN
BUT !!!
IF TRADITIONALLY ELIXIR AND STONES PHILOSOPHALS TRADITIONAL WORK, AND THEY REALLY OPERATES THE IMPACT IS ARE AS TRADITIONAL SAY IMMEDIATE AND ABSOLUTLY UNEQUIVOCAL THE REST ARE ONLY JUST MORE OR LESS GOOD OR EXCELLENT SILICA SUPPLEMENTS ETC THAT HAVE ONLY MILD EFFECTS AND NONE OF THIS HAS TO DO WITH ELIXIR OR PHILOSOPHER'S STONE !!!

(NB this liquid made by this process different clay, marcassite, salt+clay etc if are made exact and perfect as say the tradition MUST immediate dissoving gold etc !!!and this is the essential and indispensable traditional test to see if the solvent from those salts that says the very sympathy SUN is right or not ???
And sorry here for this moment only speak of extraordinari effect but sorry no any demostration ( treatment of serious diseases hair growth regressions rejuvenation immortality of cancer etc. !!!

(no kidding queate are all things very serious especially all the care and healing of serious illnesses suits absolutely must demonstrate and absolutely unequivocally prove it
)

SO IF ?? MAYBE he's right SUNW intuitions ???? MAYBE with the use of bentonite clay with his experiment certainly something missing (because the poor results obtained with clay etc) but what's missing ?? WHAT ?? and why the results are very weak

SO i and my friends have try with this and similar way thit this matter and similar( different clay , marcassite, different salt that create by different land ,sea salt etc )
with my Group friend and arrived sorry for this moment of our experiment and try and with this land clay etc we arrived only a very little result and no MORE
SO alkem5161 after many experitations and years passed serious and intense in the work of laboratory
i like demostration concrete not only teory and hypotesis maybe perhaps maybe even very Genius maybe of the dear and sympathetic SUN but for all this is imdispensable verification and dimostration )
sorry but also with all my sympathy towards SUN but this is my opinion and i Always work and in laboratory so !!! )

and this and that's why I expose so in an extremely soft and with all the profound sympathy and affection I have for the person SUN my concerns and if you read the various posts is a genuine concern verification and confirmation of the things proposed that if read various posts here not many people accept them and if you see many here unfortunately very little kindly SUN and its operating assumptions or discoveries and theories are often opposed and unfortunately SUN is often about what to mock and insult us very hard (about Unfortunately, this also read several post of this thread)
So anyway, I reiterated my deep sympathy for SUN but since I know the topic well enough and these operations with clay and marcasite Leyden and various salts (rehearsed dozens of times me and my friends of Prometeo agape) is in the dry than in the wet etc (see photos of my work done published) reiterating to my discoveries and theories throughout the total operating sympathy SUN sympathy
is only a clarification of serious and thoughtful methodology and findings to try to unravel the tangle that with all the sincere sympathy I have for SUN sometimes it really is a little non-linear, and I say this based upon my experiences its direct operational (but if you are with these working hypotheses compliments if you had any other results please share the'd all be happy to check them well), but then the fact remains that having worked extensively on operating assumptions that do not give very similar results as essential traditional searches: solvete to dissolve the 'you have to get gold etc and so I just wanted to legitimately just try to investigate the work he proposes

SO IF ?? MAYBE he's right SUNW intuitions ???? MAYBE with the use of bentonite clay with his experiment certainly something missing (because the poor results obtained with clay etc) but what's missing ?? WATH ?? and why the results are very weak

BUT who sincerely once unravel and understand everything completely checked and tested absolutely all the experience and all must Always all very well amd very sure and true all Always verification and absolutly amd total dimostration amd all alwyas test ) and then try to develop in the test, he had put on liquid nitro quoted from the book of ars distilland by french and the passage of liquid nitro he called the short way of Leyden everything before removing many posts to replace them with others, and strangely with many smileys emoticus

BUT if you have you know I'll be more than happy to hear I do not pretend to have absolutely truth I have only been working very seriously to the laboratory (with a group of my friends and we have experimented with various methods and ways) and everything we did always with humility and with the conviction that in this way more than you think you know the less you know
and therefore I am used to want to have feedback and verification of what I am told

(and which I have the utmost willingness and openness and even more so in this case I have to research and testing of SUN and personally for a number of reasons SUN us to me particularly sympathetic and with whom I share a lot of him ideas and him social aid to the suffering that all this ideas I admire and i tolal respect but with also this very dear simpatic and openen to the dear SUN !!!

BUT also i say about him ideas of work in alchemy and all him genius maybe experimentations that all him experimet and hypotesis of work alchemical must absolutly test and all deep verification for me this is nust do a concrete sirious work )


and if I do not return assumptions and therefore are perhaps traditionally used to ask for with kindness and respect a proper inspection and findings, however, it is therefore welcome to your opinion I am very happy to learn it and I always learn something in front of the proposed series and series operation methods are always wide open to experience learn to understand and verify welcome

my best cordials regards alexbr


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PostSubject: Re: making liquid niter   making liquid niter Icon_minitimeSat Mar 16, 2013 11:55 am

SunWukong wrote:
take niter and alum... distill...enjoy

Would liquid nitre be the same as liquid plant fertilizers such as Nitrogen supply for plants?

Just a thought...
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