GW Method 3

Hello All,

I have some questions regarding GW method 3. I had a gallon of the funkiest black GW and I distilled of the spirit ( Still very funky). The distillation of this is tricky because of the initial fine foam that developes, but I overcame this by placing a filter in the neck of my distillation flask. I have dried the salts. Should the salts be calcined? or should I do like the instructions say and pour the spirit back on the black salts? Also the instructions say to use gold, but I would like use silver. I will post some picture later.

Best regards,

Well,
For what I know the last word of Fr. Nick was to calcine completely the stuff.
My way is to experiment in little quantities all the different possible ways.
Of course silver or gold are the same. No doubt about this.
Good luck, even if it stinks a lot!

Zosimo

Hi spagyricus,

I am following this path as well and also worked with 3+ liters (about a gallon) of GW.

You can seen pictures of distilling old putrefied GW in this thread here.

At the moment I am evaporating the phlegm to dryness. The last bit is pretty difficult to evaporate. I have to still evaporate about 100 ml of this concentrated black GW liquid.

I dont think it is really necessary to calcine the salts. Moreover this could be dangerous and release phosphor?!?!

Yes the salts seem to be totally black. Exactly like Nick posted
here.

The salt actually should be white. Or rather it has to be made white. Nick told us in this thread tho that calcination is necessary.

Anyway I wont calcine my carput mortum and follow the GW path 3 in the new book.


Besides that distilling of the spirit:
The old GW in the distilling flask foamed and bubbled up pretty hefty.
At first I had bubbles like in my pictures. These bubbles would not burst at all for several hours. But as soon as more and more iridescent oil on top of these bubbles distilled over these bubbles started to burst and from time to time foamed up and contaminated my spirit in the receiver.

This actually shouldnt bother you, because you are supposed to rectify your spirit a few times anyway.

Also while gently distilling your spirit again (rectifying) you will see salts sublime. Photos of this salt attached to my condenser can be seen here.
I have 2 pictures while the one shows salts forming like a flower and the other picture shows salt crystals this is actually the same salt. The one is just hydrated and cluttered together while the other one is way less hydrated.

I still have more to tell which I observed regarding evaporating the phlegm. At about 1/4 was left evaporation slowed down therefor I increased the heat. At this point I could observe a bit of totally white crystal/powder in the bottom. I assume this to be ammonium nitrate.
Anyway the ammonium nitrate seemed to decompose and ignite in small quantities and each time some of it ignited and my flask gave of a noise as if someone would hit it with a tuning fork.
At this time nothing of anything white can be observed anymore.

This led me to believe that evaporating the last bit of the phlegm should NOT be done at boiling point but rather at the gentle heat of B.M. which will take several days tho for just that last little bit.


I wonder if fresh GW can be evaporated down and therefore we can make much of these desired crystals in a short amount of time. But still some old putrefied GW is needed in order to distill the spirit which we also need to put on this dried salt (carput mortum).

Like evaporating a batch where you put in more and more GW each day lets say for 10days. This should give quite a large amount however if ammonium nitrate is needed then only old putrefied GW will have it.


Ok this became long, heh.

Wilfried

Today I checked the PH of my nearly evaporated GW less than 100ml.

PH = 5.34
I wonder if it is a good idea to add ammonium nitrate now like Nick suggested somewhere.

Wilfried

Hello,

Here are some pics of my progress. The first is a flask of putrified GW.
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The flask was filled too high but I was hoping it would slowly go over.

When I did I got a lot of fine foam at first, but then it changed to large bubbles with an iridescent film.



After using a fliter in the neck of the distillation flask I was able to get uncontaminated spirit to come over.



Nick, should this be rectified before imbibing the salts?

I am dring the residue, but it is very deliquescent and seem to have an oily consistency. Nick, should this be calcined or will calcining lose the sulfurous component?

Some photos of the residue nearly evaporated:







Wilfried

spagyricus wrote:

Hello All,
I have dried the salts. Should the salts be calcined? or should I do like the instructions say and pour the spirit back on the black salts? Also the instructions say to use gold, but I would like use silver. I will post some picture later.

Best regards,

Follow the instructions in the book for 3rd method. Do NOT calcine the salt, and be sure not to overheat it when you dry it, or you will loose the spirit you need for the transmutation of the silver or gold into the glass-like material. This is also why you seal the crucible -- so the spirit doesn't escape during the intense heating, and it remains with the molten metal to intermingle with it.

Like I've said several times before in different places, everyone should work with silver and make the White stone before making the Red. Not only does your brain need the medicine from the White stone to help you become more receptively psychic and fix any mental disorders (like depression or anxiety) but using the White stone to transmute lead to silver will give you a source of money from which you can purchase your gold to make the Red Stone.

Wilfried wrote:

The salt actually should be white. Or rather it has to be made white. Nick told us in this thread tho that calcination is necessary.

No, in that thread I said I was going test whether the calcination was required, or if it should not be calcined. Then I updated the post and said that it should NOT be calcined because it then becomes impossible for crystals to form.

Wilfried,
Yes you should distill the spirit one more time to remove anything that might have come over with the bubbles.

The gooey residue needs to be dried very carefully with low heat. To accomplish this, you need to keep stirring it around from time to time while it dries. Then follow the directions in the book to purify the salt. The same method which is used on the dew salts can be used to purify the golden water salts.

Ah thank you for clearing this up once and for all.



Wilfried

hello Nick,
i know this question should go in health but its already mentioned above about the silver used for depression and anxiety, which i know for sure i have alot of, it hits like a hammer sometimes and my higher self has to drag me thru those situations because without having my higher self telling me constantly that i'll be fine and i just have to wade thru this and that i'll be fine, it get a bit too much when it hits and i refuse to take meds for it, because i was on medication for it and they were worse than having the anxiety spells! i have gained knowledge on how to handle it now, but that silver stone would be very handy indeed.

i do have a question, does it have any effect on epilepsy, i know two close relatives that have this and it is very worrying to see them like this, it probably wouldn't hurt to try, they are both women.

Fully dried residue:





Wilfried

Nick. On the subject of the glass-like material. Something has been bugging me about it. I understand the crucible must be sealed for the metal to become brittle but I have heard from more than one source that you must stir the mixture with an iron rod in order to get the glass like material. In texts such as the cappucine monk letter he says to seal and put it in intense heat then open it and the metal will be brittle so I'd assume stirring is unessasary. So which is it? sealing, stirring or do both come into play?

Or has this question already been answered elsewhere?

phillip_reed wrote:

i do have a question, does it have any effect on epilepsy, i know two close relatives that have this and it is very worrying to see them like this, it probably wouldn't hurt to try, they are both women.

I'm very careful not to ever guarantee anybody that the stones will cure a disease. I only know from what I've read and the few experiences people have emailed me. I do remember reading in one alchemy book that the red stone will indeed work for epilepsy., but I can't remember the dosage.

Eventually once everyone is making the stone and using it to treat various illnesses, I will gather together all the reports people email me, and put it all in a book. I'm sure the FDA won't like that, but I'll be careful not to use the word "cure".

Stirring is for transmutation of base metals to gold. The sealing is needed when you first make the glass material because you are using fragile crystals that will vaporize in the intense heat. When you do transmutations the glass material is inside a wax ball and protected until it gets into the molten metal, then the beeswax vaporizes, but the glass material doesn't. On the other hand, when converting the metal into the glass using the crystals, even if you put them in wax, they would vaporize along with the wax.

So anyone who tells you they made the Philosopher's Stone by throwing some crystals of any kind on molten metal and it converted to the glass-like material is surely a liar. Unless you use a sealed crucible, your experiment will fail. Only the glass has the ability to mix with molten metal and not vaporize. Any crystalline substance, no matter what you make it from, will definitely vaporize from the metal before it can do anything to it. But the glass-like material can heated on a red hot copper plate and it will just flow like wax without smoke, and without vaporizing.

This is why most alchemists only knew of the wet path where you dissolve the metal with the alkahest in a seal flask on very low heat for many months. To discover the dry path, the alchemists had to realize that the alkahest salt vaporizes too easily, and a sealed iron crucible would be required for the work to be successful.

Hello

I have dried the GW residue and imbibed it with the GW spirit and set it in a BM. Everything dissolved into a dark brown liquid. One gallon of putrified GW is reduce to about a 150mls.



Nick, Does the color seem right, it is very dark. When I shine a strong light through it looks dark red. I will gently distill till it fluxes and then refrigerate.

That's what I'm saying...

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My photos are : I'll buy a good camera when I'll make gold (I'm not joking just laughing).
I put fresh crystals in the water distilled with calxviva.
Or I evaporate the water and put the crystals in the frigde or I distill it first and then put in the fridge... I'm thinking about it, may be I'll experiment both.

Zosimo

atm I am rectifying my spirt again:

the salt sublimes even easier and can be seen for the first time also through the whole condenser and in the receiver.







receiver flask:







Wilfried

Gosh, now I remember that I calcined The crystals... !

Zosimo

Hi all,
I send you some pics of my simple, direct and quick work with GW prepared in the meanwhile of other paths.
The main part of these crystals are from an evaporated GW, a little part from a bottle of old GW that I simply wash with tap water but produced some stinky little transparent crystals.

First of all I calcined some of my main part of salts-crystals: then I throw everything for the reason that you know.

But I’ve purified the other salts-crystals, of the both kind, shaping them again in crystals with a little fresh GW or dew, freezing the first time then heating them for 3 times. The first crystals smell sour &acid, the second sweet, the third one like honey and chocolate.

First phase evaporated GW crystals

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It seems that I should heat them with gold leaves in a little, closed crucible.
Zosimo

When you dried your golden water, as long as you didn't calcine or overheat it, then you should be able to get crystals. The crystals that sublime might be better than the ones that form through evaporation. And it would make sense that you need to seal the crucible if the salt being used can sublimate as a gas and escape, so it must be sealed to let the salt work on the metal much the same way ammonium chloride does it's work on metal salts when you mix them together.

Which makes me wonder what would happen if you mixed ammonium chloride and gold hydroxide or leaf together into a fine powder, then heated them in a sealed crucible with the gold at it's melting point. Could the ammonium chloride break down the gold because its molten and easy to destroy the body?

We've seen what sal ammoniac does when its mixed with a salt of a metal and sublimed -- it extracts the sulfur of the metal. And nothing happens if you use gold leaf instead of a gold salt because the ammonium chloride can't react with it. But when you heat the gold up to its melting point and its completely molten, and ammonium chloride is swirling around inside the flask, attacking the molten gold with pure hydrochloric acid fumes and feebase ammonia fumes, then perhaps an incredible change can take place, and there is nothing mystical about it. Maybe its just a chemical reaction?

That would seem almost possible since both golden water and morning dew have the potential to produce ammonium chloride, but then we must remember that our "Alkahest salt" can also be used with a little water and gold leaf, and over a period of time on gentle heat, the salt dissolves and opens the gold. This is something ammonium chloride simply can't do. In fact, there is no know salt in all of modern chemistry that is known to have such an incredible ability. A neutral pH and yet able to dissolve all metals, even gold.

I don't think chemistry will ever be able to explain why our salt does what it does, but I'm eager to have it tested to see if every salt made from dew or golden water consistently contains similar chemicals, or if these chemical vary widely depending on when the dew or golden water was collected. If so, then its stronger evidence that the chemicals play no important role in dissolving the gold, and that is where chemistry ends and alchemy begins.

Most people think chemistry took off where alchemy ended, and as we learned more about chemicals, alchemy became nonsense. But the reality is that alchemy explains and creates things which can't be classified by chemical terminology, and can't be investigated with chemical techniques. In other words, alchemy does impossible things which chemistry can't exlpain because at a certain point, what's happening in the flask or crucible is no longer involving chemical reaction, but instead involves alchemical reactions. Just as there are chemicals in the world, apparently there are also "alchemicals" which aren't detectable by chemicals means, but they are sometimes found inside of chemicals and form bonds with ordinary chemicals, and that is why we can utilize chemicals to find and concentrate the "alchemicals" nature produces. And only in nature do we find these "alchemicals". They can't be produced or synthesized in the lab, and that is why no alchemy process works to make the Stone from metals unless an Alkahest of some sort is derived from a natural source, like dew, rain, or the human sources like golden water, blood, and even semen, but extracting these "alchemicals" from human fluids is quite a stinky mess.

I like this theory of "alchemical" and "alchements" so much, I might devote a chapter to this in my book.

Nick,

I am not there yet, but when using a threaded iron pipe is it ok to just tighten the cap or should you use a seal. If so can you suggest a good sealant?

Nick,

It's sort of like how chemists don't know what gives compounds their color. Most pure compounds are white but if they have another color it's probably yellow or red, like sulfur is yellow for example and phosphorous is red. But what makes them have this color because it's not the chemical itself is it? And why is it that pure compounds are only white, yellow, or red, the colors of the philosopher's stone? Does it have to do with why my skin is white but my blood is red, or a potatoe's skin is red but it's flesh is white.

And why is it that the stone can be made from so many different paths? Surely all these paths do not lead to the exact same chemical formulation but too many different ones. Yet the end product always resembles the same thing, a red glassy material. It's almost like the philosopher's stone is an idea more than a chemical. It is like a state of matter, not a specific chemical compound. I like it when you start thinking about what makes alchemy alchemy because it makes me think really hard too. There's definitely something in alchemy that goes beyond regular physical matter and reaches something rather transcendent. It reminds me of the red glassy material I had on an analytical balance lately that kept changing it's weight. Now I don't know of any physical element in science which can do that!

I am doing the GW method 3 in Nick’s book. It says you should distil from the putrefied GW the spirit by itself, and evaporate the remaining phlegm to dryness.

When I follow these instructions I first get the small drops of the spirit only for about ¼ of the whole liquid, then the bigger drops of the phlegm distil over.

Is that the idea to only destil ¼ of the spirit and evaporate 3/4 of the remaining liquid or do I take it too literally?

Frank

That sounds exactly right to me Frank. I was planning on taking off the first 1/6 just as an estimate, but now I know what is meant by the smaller/bigger drops. A more spirited water would be thinner and thus be able to form smaller drops. It is cool you have been able to notice that. If I can't see it I will just stick with the first 1/6. Don't forget to purify your salt which is an addition to the book process.