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PostSubject: I know i may not be on the forum   I know i may not be on the forum Icon_minitimeTue May 07, 2013 10:30 pm

but I do answer emails and private messages

sunwukong.wo@gmail.com


you can also add my facebook https://www.facebook.com/JayLeopard

and I just don't know how to speak on the forum anymore without going against the Oath I took and that is what ive been hiding from you guys

once your initiated into the mysteries you begin to see the reason why you must be silent its more than an Oath.. yeah I took the Oath but i can clearly see why I should and must be silent within reason....

but I will tell you this much

the Idea of God, Angels, Demons, Devils and everything in between being actual sentient beings like us humans is false and was used to deceive the wicked and the ignorant.. so no these being dont out right punish you at their whim or will like people so believe

but rather they are SYMBOLS OF FORCES OF NATURE

which is why fear of the LORD is the beginning of wisdom

this is also why they said during the end times a lot of NATURAL DISASTERS OCCUR

this is why they say GOD IS LAW (I.E. NATURAL LAW)

so I keep secrets not only to protect myself but also TO PROTECT YOU

so this Oath I took WAS AN OATH TO MYSELF THAT I MADE IN THE BEGINNING AND I TOOK THE OATH BASED ON WHAT I WAS READING

but now the oath isn't even necessary I have far deeper reasons now to keep my mouth shut and it is truly out of pure fear

even if it would seem good in the beginning I don't see true benefit in the future for making plain this great work

but i have pointed you in the right direction and if you truly seek the whole truth once you obtain it you will have the exact fear as mines

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PostSubject: Re: I know i may not be on the forum   I know i may not be on the forum Icon_minitimeTue May 07, 2013 10:56 pm

I know exactly what you're talking about. I've seen first hand what happens to an alchemist if word should ever get out that they might have the stone of legend. The greed of humanity is limitless and with that greed comes cruelty in equal proportion.

Anyone who has the stone and openly tells about it will be hunted down to the ends of the earth and back. The only way to really get out is to convincingly fake your own death.

I found another way which doesn't break the alchemist's oath and allows for the stone to pass freely between those who have been desperately searching but never found the desired end.

The oath of alchemists states that one can give the stone to a single heir when they get tired of life. One who was successful could chose that heir and pass a sample to him/her with specific instructions on how to use it. That person would multiply the stone in quantity and immediately send a sample to his chosen heir provided this person gives his word to do the same and so on.
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PostSubject: Re: I know i may not be on the forum   I know i may not be on the forum Icon_minitimeWed May 08, 2013 9:20 am

what happens is.... forces of nature will move people to come after you in strange ways or nature itself will do something strange by the power of attraction or you will see "them" with your own eyes

and the way i see it me being attacked on this forum was nature moving through people not so much personal attacks because if you review my post me getting attack seriously didn't make much sense and wasn't called for

that wasn't the first time...ever since i began occult studies i was randomly attacked verbally by family out of the blue and i didn't understand it much later because it never happened until after i began my studies.. i ended up homeless multiple times... people kicked me out for much of no reason.. i lost things i earned repeatedly then i almost died

the way I see it is the way my mind was taught growing up was %100 wrong and forces of nature were trying to beat it out of me and because there was no person who was connected to nature guiding me i just had to take it head on

its these experiences that taught me a lot and showed me much of what i knew growing up was only useful for dealing with people but other than that was %100 worthless

and every time even now when i speak truly open.... no one appreciates it and i get judged and attacked for it

but if I speak in a socially acceptable manner (which isn't agreeable with natural philosophy because it is false) i could say something completely and terribly incorrect and an outright blatant lie and people will just roll with it.....

I just don't know how to speak about things anymore... ill answer questions directly but even then that itself is tough because people basically ask imaginary and fantasy questions about alchemy and nature

and all i can do is literally refer them to a book....tell them to do an experiment.....ask them to observe nature and follow they heart.... most people hate that answer but what they don't see is me doing those thing is what gave me the truest of the truest answer better than words can describe

its just far "wiser" to let nature speak for me than for me to try to speak on things...all i can tell is my story and nothing more
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PostSubject: Re: I know i may not be on the forum   I know i may not be on the forum Icon_minitimeWed May 08, 2013 11:25 pm

hey sun. let me tell you a secret.....LOVE AND ACCEPT EVERYTHING......no matter how scary it may seem....it works wonders. "jesus"

i might add that jesus ended up getting nailed to a piece of wood though.

but the principle still stands.

i like the idea of putting dirty powdered rocksalt or seasalt into a flask, sealing it, then heating it until it resolves itself back to its original state.

thanks for that. so darn obvious too. and people who read this forum still won't get it. so who cares.
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Nod Nod: It's fate that gets me. For some reason every time I get close to the stone I either run out of money or my glassware breaks or some well placed coincidence gets in my way. Despite this fate had the indecency to show me that the thing exists so as to tease me into finishing the work.

I'm beginning to think that with all the trouble that it brings the stone is not worth having. The reason I continue is because I could do such great good with the stone that I could make the world worth living in. I can never deserve such a wonderful thing so when I find it I will use it for all it's worth to better all life on this planet and any others I can reach as well.
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Solarseeker,

Behind every difficulty lies a reward.And behind great difficulties lie great rewards.The stone itself is only a part of this amazing gift that one will discover through this arcane art.We have chosen a long and exhausting journey(both spiritual and physical) and where others have failed,we shall succeed if we act with dilligence,humility and most of all PATIENCE.Observe nature and her works,study the old masters and practice and one day the Lord will unravel to you the most holy and blessed gift of all.
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PostSubject: Re: I know i may not be on the forum   I know i may not be on the forum Icon_minitimeSat May 11, 2013 4:37 am

you know what everything you all are saying i agree with and it is up to me to conquer these fears

its just when it comes to people its a whole different ball game

i witness for myself how things i can say alone make great changes that blows my own mind


im just doing my BEST to go about everything as wisely as possible and im relying on hermetic philosophy which has gotten me very very far

I strive for perfection but i know nothing is truly perfect

even in hindsight i see how a lot of the ways i went about things was wrong and i do sincerely apologize... its just you see how hard it is for alchemist to be heard clearly and i finally understand how they feel and it is why ive been choosing silence

and honestly to outright give a lot of things away would literally in my eyes DEPRIVE YOU ALL

and it would be nothing but pain..... you see you need to be a PHILOSOPHER/SAGE to make the stone

and if you not you must RELY UPON ONE

there is no way around this because see they literally didnt make up the stone it was TAUGHT TO THEM BY NATURE

hence natural philosophy aka hermetic philosophy

to give away certain things without giving the philosophy I would be doing A GREAT EVIL TO YOU ALL

and i understand this

thats why i gave certain warnings and why i said START IN THE VEGETABLE KINGDOM FIRST

not only is it the easiest but secretly ITS THE HEALTHIEST and will help reverse many diseases by reason that THE PLANT KINGDOM IS THE KEY TO ALL LIFE ON THE PLANET

trees can literally live INDEFINITELY

is there not eternal life and youth in an evergreen tree? or even trees in general? does not fruit trees renew their life every year with fruit for you to eat every year? you see the secret to everlasting life is dead infront of you

trees use sunlight and minerals to live forever

is this not natural philosophy?

is it me or do plants live life in the wisest way possible that they are granted eternal life?

is this not the goal that you seek?

alchemy was never to be a science to merely create a metal however it does include the creation of metals from NONMETALS

you see this is the big secret ive been after... how to use nonmetals to create metals because this is what nature does.. why cant we?

artephius says this

"Truly our work is perfectly performed; for that which the heat of sun is a hundred years in doing, for the generation of one metal in the bowels of the earth; our secret fire, that is, our fiery and sulphureous water, which is called Balneum Mariae, doth as I have often seen in a very short time."


Hermetic Sages do what nature does over hundreds to wit thousands of years..in a short time

I have done this with my silica work.... the ocean is full of natural orthosilic acid to make the best sea water and sea salt.... i can artificially do this in literally minutes because i understand the PHILOSOPHY

please for yourselves learn the philosophy don't do it merely because i ask

the idea is to copy nature first...then figure out how to do BETTER THAN NATURE
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"Artephius"

Now this operation or work is a thing of no great labor to him who knows and understands it; nor is the matter so dear, consideration [sic, considering?] how small a quantity does suffice, that it may cause any man to withdraw his hand from it. It is indeed, a work so short and easy, that it may well be called woman's work, and the play of children. Go to it then,, my son, put up thy supplications to God almighty; be diligent in searching the books of the learned in this science; for one book openeth another; think and meditate of these things profoundly; and avoid all things which vanish in or will not endure the fire, because from these adjustible, perishing or consuming things, you can never attain to the perfect matter, which is only found in the digesting of your water, extracted from sol and luna. For by this water, color, and ponderosity or weight, are infinitely given to the matter; and this water is a white vapor, which like a soul flows through the perfect bodies, taking wholly from them their blackness, and impurities, uniting the two bodies in one, and increasing their water. Nor is there any other thing than Azoth, to wit, this our water, which can take from the perfect bodies of sol and luna, their natural color, making the red body white, according to the disposition thereof.
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You words are wise indeed my friend,but do not deceive yourself.We cannot create anything BETTER than nature.The only reason that costs nature so much time to complete her work is the fluctuating heat and conditions in general.All we have to do,is find out the proper conditions and the correct materials,and therefore sustain the specific conditions so that nature does her miracles.Of course,there is a bit more that we should do in order to reduce the time required.

As for the rest...We cannot proceed if we are not aware of the philosophy behind the work...The concept behind alchemy is a complex one and that is the reason most seekers give up during their journey and that is also the reason that we should not speak out loud everything cause people who do not care about the philosophy do not deserve such a treasure
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PostSubject: Re: I know i may not be on the forum   I know i may not be on the forum Icon_minitimeSat May 11, 2013 4:14 pm

wrong

the idea is to elevate nature beyond what nature can do by itself... because if that was the case you would be able to find transmutation powder growing somewhere, all of the alchemist say there is no sulfur like in the elixir found on earth.. nature does the work but you must create the perfect conditions for this to occur.. conditions that do not exist naturally on earth

by nature I hope you know i meant like things naturally present on earth because if it wasn't elevated beyond nature then all the alchemy books and this forum itself would be pointless

and honestly the philosophy is given freely but only true seekers understand it

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/kyb/

http://www.sacred-texts.com/eso/pym/

http://www.alchemylab.com/pymander.htm

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Yes the trees are capable of living forever but they are still mortal. Even still the secret to their longevity is directly tied to their food source. Everything on this planet breathes this breath contains both air and water. The more fixed portion returns to the earth in the form of dew at night and precipitation infrequently. It is the breath of life,fountain of youth,water of life,and elixir of life that we're after all of which are one and the same.

The thing is that the elixir of life ,being what it is, is itself alive !

As a direct result the elixir of life can grow and multiply. First it multiplies in potency then it multiplies in quantity. The measure of heat is there for exactly the same as the body temperature of living creatures.

When this elixir is scarce in winter the trees and all plants die losing all of their leaves. When it's plentiful in spring everything flourishes.

Water from the air IS the elixir of life. It is also the first matter which the earth was created from in the beginning. It contains all 4 principals and life energy. It's salt is also the manna which the Israelites ate for 40 years. The earthy water and watery earth which contains the living spirit of fire. Everyone knows it and names it but does not recognize it. It issues forth from a secret fountain that flows over the whole earth. It unfolds itself at night and folds back up during the day ascending and descending in an endless cycle. The emerald tablet is right as is Nicolas Colette.

It cannot be put any more simply it cannot be any more plain. Morning dew IS the one and only first matter.
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You didn't get my point Sun,

My point is that we are not superior to nature.All we do is help her procceed and exceed her natural boundaries in order to achieve far mor miraculous stuff.

Nature + ? -->Supreme Nature

? = Man

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Yes in the same way a farmer plants a seed,waters,and waits. Even the most miraculous of wonders achieved by the stone, do not for a single instant contradict or override a single one of the laws of nature, nor the laws of physics.

Btw those links you provided are most interesting. They use a truly massive number of words but never really say much of anything. This is why I prefer the writings of adepts rather than those of philosopher's. The real difficulty is learning the difference.

I found a list of adepts in a book written by one: http://www.sacred-texts.com/alc/hm1/hm106.htm

Here's my updated version. I haven't yet read the works of all of them but I can confirm that the ones that I have read are true adepts (they had the PhSt)

"in the natural order of their succession. They are Hermes Trismegistus, Pythagoras,Alexander the Great, Plato, Theophrastus, Avicenna, Galen, Hippocrates,Lucian, Longanus, Rasis, Archelaus, Rupescissa, the Author of the Great Rosary, Mary the Prophetess, Dionysius, Zachaire, Haly, Morienus, Calid, Constantius, Serapion, Albertus Magnus, Estrod, Arnold de Villa Nova, Geber, Raymond Lully, Roger Bacon, Alan, Thomas Aquinas, Marcellus Palingenius; and, among moderns, Bernard of Trevisa, Frater Basil. Valentinus, Phillip Theophrastus (i.e., Paracelsus)" Actum Leyden 1662, Dr. John DEE ,Nicholas Flamel,NiKolaus Burtschel 1892-1952 (Volpierre), Belinus(an abbot),Nicholas Collette 2012,Arthur Edward Waite, [1893] ,Cyliani,Hanz W. Nintzel
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nevermind forget i said anything study
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On the contrary you bring up many practical and useful points. Just because we don't agree doesn't mean we can't learn from one another.

I read alchemical texts as though they are very practical and straight forward. You read them from almost a pure philosophy stands point. Given the very nature of alchemy itself we're probably both right more often than either one or both of us being wrong.

By all means please continue and do not be discouraged by disagreements. I take all criticism constructively as a result any criticism I provide is also intended to be used constructively.

Seriously learning is my first and foremost goal. There for I am quite happy and thankful that you have decided to share as much as you have.
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You have very good aspects for alchemy (sun, moon mercury, saturn even pluto, neptune and uranus) in your natal chart and you speak (mercury) the truth. However tobacco (mars, smoke=neptune) will give u trouble. Emotional distress and hot temper
PM me the exact hour and I can tell u more. Peace
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