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PostSubject: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Sun Nov 10, 2013 11:08 am

Hi all,

can you please tell me what you think about this passage?

"Ex duabus aquis unam facite" ("from two waters, you make one").

It's in one of the pictures of the Splendor Solis:



I think it's meaning may be the same as the first picture of Lambsprinck's "De Lapide Philosophico", where he says "two fishes swim in our water".

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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Sun Nov 10, 2013 1:37 pm

yea, ill bite  on this one.

first thing i notice it the 2 (male) statues peeing. so  it does seem man's \"philosophical dew\" plays a role. we also see 7 stars/things above the guys head. 7 purifications, seven days, seven cycles?  i also notice two things with the little figures. one is peeing more of a goldish color while the other is more of a silvery. also there is water pouring from the fountain bottom also. not just directly from the little statue. this could mean nothing, but in paintings, all has a purpose.  the soldier is also looking in the direction of the Sun. the water from the fountain seems to be forming a river that flows down toward the town/castle in the background.

"from two waters , make one"
union of the fixed, sulphuric, male component with the violatile, mercurial, female component.
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Mon Nov 11, 2013 5:39 pm

Also notice that both waters are from the same source. In the GW path you get a yellow spirit which distills out as a white smoke, and a red oil which distills out as a green smoke (the alchemist say it's black). If you digest these two together the oil dissolves and the whole thing turns deep red.  These two combined spirits are what you imbibe the salt with.

Each time you imbibe the salt you need to melt it and it will change to black then to white again and get much more potent. After several imbibations instead of turning white it will turn pink and then increasingly deep red. Some alchemist say it's not finished until it becomes purple but I haven't seen that yet.
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:26 pm

My gess: coagulate water and its twin substance (i.e. spirit) into

one "dry" water (one which has no flagmatick moisture in itself)

would that knight on the picture be Mars... For iron supposed to be

magnet for spirit (like in the blood)


Extract vapor from the water, extract from the racy its shadow...


concerning this I have observed

when windshield whiper sweeps over the windshield for short moment

of time the rainbow colours are visible especially when it is dry snow

on the windshield... so would it be possible that the spirit is

extracted from the snow simply by friction between glass and rubber
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Tue Nov 12, 2013 1:31 pm

Friction is heat. And I also believe the soldier to be mars as it is in many paintings. Interesting idea of the rainbow on windshield though.
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:01 pm

thepassamist wrote:
Friction is heat. And I also believe the soldier to be mars as it is in many paintings. Interesting idea of the rainbow on windshield though.
By friction of snow between glass and rubber

so the spirit would be 'squeezed' out of snow with peacock colours

same thing for friction of water with itself and effect of running water

on man (standing by the river, crossing the river etc)

when we are thirsty and begin to drink water we feel better

immidiately, before water even got into stomach

so it could be friction of water in throat and with itself which releases

its spirit or whatever
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:23 pm

the friction also would be same (possibly) as heating in a pot while stirring.
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Tue Nov 12, 2013 3:37 pm

that reminds me on the 'polywater' thing which was made by some russian

chemist simply by friction: water was repeteadly forced from one

tank to another thru packing of quartz capilarry tubes by the two pistons

after some number of transfers water became more viscous and oil like

(maybe on the path to become 'dry'?)

also that polywater tend to 'coagulate' in form of white matter which

became orange then red after heating, deliquesced on air etc.

'...spirit of God moved (friction) over the face of the waters...'
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:14 am

The 7 stars are the seven operations that are really only one operation. These are the seven eagles.The figure with the sword is Mars and the sword represents the same material as the spear of Cadmus. I don't think just because the figures are urinating that it represents the ur-rine path. The amber water is the the philosophical dew (again not ur-rine) and the mercury of the philosophers. The white water is another water, a water that does not wet the hands. This is also represented in the philisophical egg, where you have the amber yolk surrounded by a white water. The alchemists don' t talk too much about this water directly but in other symbolism it is the oak tree or the branch where the fleece rests. These two waters bind to form a new substance, the union between the queen and her lover or Tristan and Isolde or the famous battles between salamander and remora, cock and fox, or eagle and lion, eventually to come and slay the King. Thanks for posting the painting- it is very instructive!


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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Wed Nov 13, 2013 12:20 am

Lol. There it is. The water that does not wet the hands....

Should I be looking for a liquid. Or something that burns instead of wets. Hate riddles lol
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PostSubject: Re: ex duabus aquis unam facite   Wed Nov 13, 2013 9:31 am

The water that does not wet the hands,is supposed to be of lunar-snow white(such as milk) and does not wet nor corrodes the hands(only one material is known to have this attribute,guess which one).I think that this painting represents the 3 materials that you get after you create your Chaos,which is Mars(the burnt or foliated earth-Salt),the white liquor(Mercury) and the red liquor(Sulphur).By uniting these 3 through philosophical means you get what is called the Philosopher's stone.
The 3 elements as described above come from Liber Secretissmus of George Ripley
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