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PostSubject: phosphorous   Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:39 am

Is phosphorous realy philosphers stone?
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:40 am

Or diamond oxide
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Mon Mar 16, 2015 8:38 pm

no,its not the real philosopher's stone .It can have some properties of transmuting metals like many other chemicals with certain processes performed.The real elixir can be found in nature in abundance if you know where to look. GOD BLESS YOU !
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Tue Mar 17, 2015 1:32 pm

U r absolutly right bro i found philosphers stone is gold and mercury amalgam which philosphers reduce this amalgam in red powder with certain process
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Tue Mar 17, 2015 5:44 pm

Hi tahirbutt
Sure yes with gold and mercury amalgam thre are many process of the some alchimist and ancient rose croix that say use as matters of made the stone phil. gold and mercury amalgam
ok thre atre some say by this process
but yuo have try a prosess you say with gold and mercury amalgam have you made this  process gold and mercury amalgam in laboratory? so have you arrived at some concrete result by this process with gold and mercury amalgam ?

PHOSPHOROUS matter:
some alchimist and the rose cross give also some process and instruction about matter call phosphorous example : FEDERICO GUALDI in him secret extasi and KARL VON ECKARTSHAUSEN in him book "Essais Chimiques" (in particolary Federico Gualdi in him writers give a precise instruction of the process about it )

but NB we are not sure if is t he true phosphorous or a simple only one nikname give in code alchimist for call with it nane the prima materia  

my best regard alexbr


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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Wed Mar 18, 2015 10:07 am

How about sugar bro? Is sugar philosophers stone? I cetainly got stoned from it in a philosophical sense, i swear man...
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:16 am

If u make amalgam gold with mercury means 3 grams gold and 9 grams mercury then put it on sond both in a dish and put a little sulfur on it when this sulfur fly put again and finish 60 gram of sulfur u find red powder then take 50 grams sulfuric acid and put 10 grams ammonium chloride 10 times mean 1 gram and them 1 gram sulfuric acid dissolve all this ammonium and then put this red powder of philosphers stone in it and put on a light heat and finish this acid all then ur stone is ready for projection
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Wed Mar 18, 2015 11:20 am

Hi tp why u say that surgar is philosphers stone because they say it has sweat taste and like crystals
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Thu Mar 19, 2015 5:58 am

tahirbutt wrote:
If u make amalgam gold with mercury means 3 grams gold and 9 grams mercury then put it on sond both in a dish and put a little sulfur on it when this sulfur fly put again and finish 60 gram of sulfur u find red powder then take 50 grams sulfuric acid and put 10 grams ammonium chloride 10 times mean 1 gram and them 1 gram sulfuric acid dissolve all this ammonium and then put this red powder of philosphers stone in it and put on a light heat and finish this acid all then ur stone is ready for projection


Hi tahirbutt

ok thank you very much for your kindness and for the recipe you've mentioned to as but can  give us also about it a some little serious standard references respect it thanks

so therefore :

where does your opinion and from what traditionally lineage and tradition comes this recipe? from where did you get it? or where did you find it? or that text or manuscript from which is derived?

and above all you have the experienced? you've done in the laboratory?
and if you have experintation it ? that the results that you obtained? if we have obtained in the laboratory? do you think is a particular ie is only valid for metallic transmutations (and if you have obtained what you got exactly?) or do you think that you should get from red powder you also get a universal panacea and elixir of long life, and even if you get this ? 'you've experienced it ?with that results ?

many thanks for your answers

with regard alexbr

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hi tahirbutt

ok grazie molte per la tua gentilezza e per la ricetta che ci hai indicato ma ci poi dare a riguardo un po di serie referenze di essa grazie
dunque :
da dove deriva secondo te tradizionalmente e da quale lignaggio e tradizione arriva questa ricetta ?da dove la hai avuta ? o dove la hai trovata ? o da che testo o da quale manoscritto deriva ?

e sopratutto tu la hai sperimentata ? tu la hai fatta in laboratorio ?
e se la hai sperimentata ? che risultati hai ottenuti ? se ce la hai ottenuta in laboratorio ? è secondo te un particolare ossia è valida solo per trasmutazioni metalliche ( e se le hai ottenute cosa hai ottenuto esattamente ?) o secondo te dalla polvere rossa che si dovrebbe ottenere si ottiene anche una panacea universale ed elixir di lunga vita e se si ottiene anche ciò' ? la hai sperimentata?e con che risultati ?

grazie molte per le tue risposte

cordialmente alexbr


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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Thu Mar 19, 2015 9:11 am

tahirbutt wrote:
Hi tp why u say that surgar is philosphers stone because they say it has sweat taste and like crystals

Sugar can be made into red stone candy, white stone candy and even gold sprinkles.

After every sugar rush i get i feel much younger, renewed in my spirit and excited like this bouncing ball. bounce
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Thu Mar 19, 2015 10:37 am

Tahirbutt, Thank you . GOD BLESS YOU.
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Tue Mar 24, 2015 11:58 am

tahirbutt wrote:
If u make amalgam gold with mercury means 3 grams gold and 9 grams mercury then put it on sond both in a dish and put a little sulfur on it when this sulfur fly put again and finish 60 gram of sulfur u find red powder then take 50 grams sulfuric acid and put 10 grams ammonium chloride 10 times mean 1 gram and them 1 gram sulfuric acid dissolve all this ammonium and then put this red powder of philosphers stone in it and put on a light heat and finish this acid all then ur stone is ready for projection

This is quite interesting! Do you know of any sources - treatises, authors, etc. - which describe this process? I would like to learn more. Thanks.
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Sat Mar 28, 2015 2:29 pm

I too am interested in this path.

In response to the first post, no phosphorous is not the philosopher's stone. But phosphorous (phosphoric acid) may be used in place of hydrochloric acid to create a unique form of aqua regia.

If you dissolve gold in this you get a very unusual red crystalline form of gold.

From a purely chemical stands point the philosopher's stone is an allotrope of gold. It's chemically pure gold, but the configuration of the atoms drastically changes the physical and chemical properties.
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Sat Mar 28, 2015 3:16 pm

solarseeker wrote:

From a purely chemical stands point the philosopher's stone is an allotrope of gold.  It's chemically pure gold, but the configuration of the atoms drastically changes the physical and chemical properties.

I agree, solarseeker, although I'm not convinced that a form of Aqua Regia alone will do the trick.
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Wed Apr 01, 2015 8:10 pm

Hi, everybody, I did the mixture of the acid using concentrated sulfuric acid and ammonium chloride, later I heated a copper wire and dumped in the acid ; all the solution turned into a beautiful dark green that reminds me the color of grass.After this I put in another glass container the acid with a littme water and heated a piece of copper wire and dumped in this a few times and all the solution turned white that looks like the color of milk.GOD BLESS YOU ALL!
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Wed Apr 01, 2015 9:16 pm

PulvisRubeus wrote:
solarseeker wrote:

From a purely chemical stands point the philosopher's stone is an allotrope of gold.  It's chemically pure gold, but the configuration of the atoms drastically changes the physical and chemical properties.

I agree, solarseeker, although I'm not convinced that a form of Aqua Regia alone will do the trick.

I never said you could make the stone this way. (I haven't tried it yet) I only said it sounds like it has at least some of the correct properties, and it has the correct chemical composition, (gold) without any transmutable materials which would rob it of transmutation power too early. (other metals)

So in theory it has a chance of being multiplied and becoming the stone.


On a side note: This may very well be the first independant productive thread since Nick died. Perhaps there is hope for this forum yet. cheers
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Wed Apr 01, 2015 10:55 pm

solarseeker wrote:


On a side note: This may very well be the first independant productive thread since Nick died. Perhaps there is hope for this forum yet.  cheers

Oh, how I wish that were so. But did you notice - as soon as we begin to enter a productive discussion, some of the members suddenly "clam up" completely and refuse to address others' questions.

Why is that?
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Thu Apr 02, 2015 12:25 am

Hi solarseeker
sure maybe can be very interesting and you think if it worked this particular crystal (obtained by dissolving gold in this particular aqua regia dissolves gold made of phosphoric acid and nitric acid) would use only transmuting metals, and therefore only a particular?
or do you think it is also a panacea healing and regenerative?

and therefore hypothetically as you propose to do then the multiplication of this particular crystal?

cordially alexbr

nb
federico gualdo writes a long and give istructions on phosphore and him acid used for made the stone and this maybe could be a good
feedback for this

::::::::::::::::here the original in italian::::::::

Hi solarseeker
sicuro forse puo essere molto interessante e secondo te se funzionasse questo particolare cristallo (ottenuto sciogliendo l'oro in questa particolare acqua regia che scioglie l'oro fatta di acido fosforico e acido nitrico) sarebbe solo ad uso trasmutativo dei metalli e dunque solo un particolare ?
o secondo te è anche una panacea curativa e rigenerativa ?
e dunque ipoteticamente tu proporresti di fare poi la moltiplicazione di questo particolare cristallo   ?

cordialmente alexbr

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federico gualdo scrive a lungo e da istruzioni su fosforo e suo acido usati per fare la pietra e questo forse potrebbe essere un buon
riscontro per cio
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Sat Apr 04, 2015 9:57 pm

Actually you can make the stone with using a form of  Aqua  Regia
but there is more to it then just dissolving the gold and heating it

It takes 3 or 4 cookings then 60 to 90 days to finish

I happen to have the Essens process for the red lion  and I know that it works. most of his work has been  hidden so its hard to find..
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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Sun Apr 05, 2015 8:43 am

I've been looking for that red lion recipe and couldn't find it. Would you please post it?

BTW alkem I managed to get the GW stone we were working on to turn red.

Instead of using alcohol I used just the white GW stone and nitric acid. This dissolves gold very well which can be boiled down to recover the salt. Once it dries, it will rapidly turn red under the heat. You can even melt it and it will retain its color.

While this is great there is still the same problem of the stone not being metallic enough to mix with metals. I think it has to be saturated with gold to work.
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PostSubject: phosphorous    Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:18 am

Solar why doint you try 4 parts salt to 1 part gold then place it in the heat to melt slowly the red salt should eat the gold and convert it to a red powder  or glass stone of some type then keep fermenting it  over and over till it has the power needed to  transmute  Russtine  process
says to take 4 parts salt to one part gold place in lamp oven light one candle  48 hours later and 48 hours later light another candle then another till it is red then take 4 parts of the red glass or powder and repeat over and over. worth a try. also I think Quartz flask or container made of quartz is crucial to make it work quartz has pezzeio
electric effects when heated I think that whats missing when using standerd glass ware just my opinion.


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PostSubject: Re: phosphorous   Sun Apr 05, 2015 11:21 am


The Essene: It was a coin. When it was all dissolved I turned down the heat to about 140 degrees and I added formic acid;[ he didn't tell me about this part] approximately two ounces. I had 700 [750] ml of aqua regia in it and an ounce of gold. Then it frothed just like a glass of Seven Up; you see the little bubbles in coming up all over in it but there were a million of them. When they quit, all the nitrates were gone and then I evaporated it down to 100 ml. I added hydrochloric acid back up to 700 ml and evaporated it down again to 100. [three times]

Mike: Concentrated hydrochloric acid? [37.5]

The Essene: Concentrated. All of this is concentrated, no water added. Alright, after the third time down I filled it back up to 700 [750] and capped it with a solid seal. I left it at 121 degrees Fahrenheit for 21 days and nights. [with 1.5 grams of NaCl] [takes it to the white lion, Na3Au1, in 21 days.][7 days longer and another 1.5 grams of NaCl takes it to the green lion, Na-Au2] [7 days longer with another 1.5 grams of NaCl and it is the red lion, Na-Au3] [ all the time at 121°F/49.5°C] [Using K instead of Na also works]

R: In the dark.

The Essene: In the dark. After that time I opened the container which had the gold solution in it and I added one and a half grams of table salt. And then I sealed it up and left it set for another 21 days in the dark. Now when you took and swirled it around, you could see snowflakes all through it. Then I took and opened it up and added another one and a half grams of salt. Now it all turned forest green---dark green.



The Essene: It was dark green solution, dark green everything. But you could still swirl it and see the green snowflakes in it.

Here R brought out a mason jar with a very dark green--almost black--solution in it. It was so dark green that the only way you could tell that it was green was to slosh water up the sides and see the green it left there. The light from a flashlight would not pass through it.

The Essene: It's turned a lot darker since I did it; it didn't start out quite that dark green. It just turned a darker green.

R: It was an emerald green and it's gotten darker.

The Essene: After it turned green and seven days were up, I added one and a half more grams of salt. It turned brick red.



The Essene: It is the red lion.
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