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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 4:26 am

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What would you say makes something living or "dead"?

It’s a deepest mystery of Nature within Living things, by giving the answer I say that what is the name of the AGENT of the philosophers which they mentioned in their books, it carries the all answers. I mean the Agent of the Philosophers was their MERCURY, so question is that why they used this word, is there anything special ?.... If we go back at the times of the Ancients then in Egypt they chose this name for the Messenger of God, means this is only a thing which carries the origins and have a direct connection to our Creator or can be said that this is only a celestial matter, where you can find the answer that what is the difference b/w Living and Dead.

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What role do you feel Putrefaction has in our Work, if any?

Actually when at the very start you used this word of Putrefaction then literally at the start I was a bit confused but then few weeks ago when I was arranging some old files, then I realized that what you were talking about, so as you know that a doctor cannot cure a disease until he will not diagnose it, so my very simple question is that in which MEDIUM you are looking to putrefy your matter ?

And do you know that why the philosophers putrefy their matter ? It is also a great secret, when you will realize this then you will be very fascinated by their minds and approach.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 9:34 am

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And do you know that why the philosophers putrefy their matter ? It is also a great secret, when you will realize this then you will be very fascinated by their minds and approach.

Yes, I am aware why the Philosophers Putrefaction they're Matter, but I am asking what role you feel Putrefaction has in our Work?
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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:10 am

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What role you feel Putrefaction has in our Work?

In the answer of your first question above you will find the answer, which means the role is only to make their Mercury. Where they putrefy their matter first for 40 days, to begin the work.

But I will also keep my words, that the work can be done without any long putrefaction, the method you can find in the Art of the Distillation, where he used no medium, but he used such a thing which is also of the same origins.

As I was asked you that in which medium you are looking to putrefy your matter, because there was only one person who take this topic somewhere differently, he was Volpierre, the difference is that all the philosophers putrefy their matter in different mediums, in place of which he used acids, but again it doesn’t brings a difference because his work was giving the same thing after putrefaction but the actual difference is that he used the matter in an unprepared form, while all our ancient philosophers used the matter in a prepared form.

And this is the reason that why I confused to give your answer at first, because Volpierre was followed and discovered a very different path, which was not of the ancients.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 10:11 am

Here Hollandus is telling us about the Putrefaction of the Matter in GW,…

Isaac Hollandus wrote:
Before our Stone comes into existence, it is alive; when it is found, it is dead; everyone sees it and hold his nose before it. It had lain on top of the casks or vessels in which it was kept, for a long time, and one and all hold their noses before the Materi or stinking air from which our Stone is drawn. The poor have it as well as the rich; little children as well as older people. It is indeed, a child’s play and a woman’s work, and the ignorant people have diligently searched for it, long and hard, in excrements and have not found it. For when you are alive, the Stone lives with you. That is the reason why one cannot draw our Stone out of excrements, since our Stone possesses the four elements perfectly; yes, it is more wonderful than anything on earth. For man is the very best, which God has created in this world in his image. If you have some intelligence, listen.

Our stone has a strong smell and bitter taste, like \"philosophical dew\", and it is found everywhere in superfluous quantity. All animals also have it, though not as perfectly as man. Without our Stone nothing in this world can live. Our Stone is in all things that grow out of the earth, and it is also in the earth, likewise in ditches and also above the earth. Our Stone costs little and can easily be found everywhere, in all street corners, in all secret chambers; on dung heaps and in caverns and vaults or in stables, there is an abundance of it. It grows and greens in all places where its water is found and where it lies quietly.

Our Stone also grows out of the foul, stinking Materi in which it is white and clear, just as glass grows out of the foul earth and is also beautiful and clear. Therefore the ancients and wise men write: Our Stone purified itself and separates itself from all uncleanliness. The ignorant ones, who do not understand this, rebuke the ancients for having said this, and believe that it is mercury. And further, our Stone rises above all Feces and ascends up high, where it collects.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 11:08 am

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PulvisRubeus did you find the translations of your name ?

Yes, it is Latin for "Red Powder".
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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 12:33 pm

Sorry again misunderstanding, actually by asking you this, I was about to ask you, that did you find something in your reading.

After finding out this information you will become real PulvisRubeus.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Thu Dec 14, 2017 1:44 pm

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Sorry again misunderstanding, actually by asking you this, I was about to ask you, that did you find something in your reading.

After finding out this information you will become real PulvisRubeus.


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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Fri Dec 15, 2017 1:07 am

"The apparatus employed in 'The Great Work' consists of the Moist bath, the Dry bath, the Vases of Nature and Art, the bowl of oak, lutum sapientiae, the Seal of Hermes, the tube, the physical lamp, and the iron rod."

“The ether is set in-motion by the rays of the sun whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun rays by means of mirrors and lenses can generate certain waves in the ether and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis essentialis (essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of disease! "Who knows how to unite the energy of elemental fire (earth) with that of the essence of fire (heaven)..." What thing on earth, what "magnet" will attract this celestial fire/nitre/Chalybs?

There are two kinds of sciences, not more. Religion and Physics; that is to say, the Science of God and the science of Nature: all others are only branches of these. There are even spurious ones; they are errors rather than sciences. Religion comes from Heaven, it is the true Science, because God, the source of all truth, is its Author. Physics is the knowledge of Nature, with it Man can do wonderful things.

The Priests, among the Egyptians; the Magii, among the Persians, the Mecubales and Kabbalists, among the Hebrews; the Brahmins, in India; the Gymnosophists in Ethiopia; the Orpheuses, the Pythagorases, the Platos, the Porphyrys, among the Greeks; the Druids, among the Western races; have spoken of the Secret Sciences only through enigmas and allegories; if they had stated their true object, there would have been no Mysteries and the sacred would have been confounded with the profane.

The Universal Agent when magnetizing the world, is called Astral Light; when it forms the metals, it is named AZOTH or Sophic Mercury . . . Eliphas Lévi.

When a lighted candle is extinguished the igneous and luminous spirit, which inflames the wick, is not lost, as is commonly believed. Its action simply disappears when food is lacking to it. It is diffused in the air, which is the receptacle of Light, and of the spiritual nature of the material world.

Man is the sovereign prince of this lower world. All his faculties are admirable. The troubles which rise in his mind, his agitations, his anxieties are as the winds, the lightnings, the thunders, the whirlwinds and meteors which take place in the Macrocosm. His heart, his blood, all his body even, are agitated by them, but they are as the trembling of the earth and everything proves in him that he is truly the epitome of the Universe. Was not David right in exclaiming that God is infinitely admirable in all His works, (Psalm 91, v.6 and 138, v. 14)?

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Fri Dec 15, 2017 4:04 am

"In order that you may desire nothing that belongs to the theory and practice of our Philosophy, I will tell you that, according to Philosophers, there are three kinds of Gold.

"First one is an astral Gold, whose center is in the Sun, which with its rays communicates it, at the same time than its light, to all heavenly bodies under it. It is an igneous substance, and a continuous emanation of solar corpuscles which, being in a perpetual flux and reflux, because of the movement of the sun and the stars, fills up the whole universe. Everything is penetrated by this Gold in the immensity of heavens upon earth, and, in its bowels, we breathe continuously this astral Gold, this solar particles penetrate our bodies and are ceaselessly exhalated from them.

"The second one is an elemental Gold, that is, the purest and most fixed portion of the elements, and of all substances composed by them; so that every sublunar being of the three genera contains in its center a precious grain of this elemental Gold.

"The third one is the handsome metal, whose brightness and inalterable perfection give it a price, which make it to be considered by all men as the sovereign remedy for all evils and needs of life, and as the only foundation of greatness and human power." etc.

The first kind of Gold has to be related with what the ancients called the Universal Spirit. On the particular, we find in Johannes Trithemius:

"It is a Universal Fluid, a living one, extended throughout all Nature, which penetrates all beings; it is the most subtle of all things, incorruptible in its essence, and permeating the infinite space ( ...). The sun and planets are but condensed states of this Universal Principle, distributing their abundances through their palpitating hearts, and sending them to the forms of the lower worlds and to every being, acting through their own centers, and impelling those forms to a higher state in the path of perfection ... This spirit may be obtained in the same way as it is communicated to earth: from the stars The forms in which this living principle becomes fixed, become perfect and permanent ... Thus, the philosophal stone is the ultimate that can be made using it, making that which is volatile to become fixed."

Thus, the first kind of Gold might be condensed into the lapis philosophorum, and this, as Limojon de Saint-Didier, again, will instruct us, by means of a gold of the second species:

"The gold of the wise is proper the gold of the second species; for, when this gold is perfectly calcinated, and exalted to the cleanness and whiteness of snow, it acquires, by Magistery, a natural sympathy for the astral gold, of whom it has become visibly a true magnet, it attracts and concentrates in itself so great a quantity of astral gold and of solar particles, received from the continuous emanation of them done in the center of Sun and Moon, that it is in a disposition near to become the living gold of the Philosophers."

Reading The Golden Chain of Homer, the idea is found again on the possibility of materializing subtle principles, of fixing what is volatile:

"The Universal Fire fills that immense space of the universe between the Heavenly bodies, and as a power to become material, it generates a subtle vapor or invisible humidity, its first passive principle. It causes therein a gentle reaction, and a most subtle fermentation takes place universally, and by this reaction the universal acid is everywhere generated, which we can call anything else than a most subtle incorporated NITRE; it is inwardly fire and outwardly cold.

"Thus this spiritual NITRE or universal ACID we call the second invisible change of the universal Fire, generated out of the chaotic invisible HUMIDITY; and as this approaches the atmosphere of the Heavenly Bodies it becomes gradually more and more material, until it meets an alkaline passive principle, wherein it fixes itself and forms native Nitre, so that from universal spiritual Nitre it becomes material Nitre. "Thus we say without good reason that the Solar Rays of light are nothing else than a most subtle spiritual Nitre it becomes material comes more and more nitrous as it approaches the Earth."

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sat Dec 16, 2017 3:11 am

It is obvious that to get that condensation of Universal Spirit, special conditions of weather are required, as A. V. Bernus has already indicated himself. There is a cosmic breathing, and the Universal Spirit descends to Earth at Spring, and returns to heavens at Autumn. Lets read again The Hermetic Triumph:

"Several Philosophers indicated the most propitious season of the year for this operation. Some made no mystery of it; other more circumspect ones only did explain this point by means of parables. 'The first ones mentioned the month of March and Springtime. (...) Cosmopolita, to indicate the most propitious season for the Philosophical work, says it is that one in which all living beings, sensitive and vegetable, seem to be animated by a newfire, which impels them reciprocally to love, and to the multiplication of the species, that Venus is the goddess of this charming island, in which he soon discovered all the secrets of nature; but, to indicate more clearly this season, he says that lambs and bulls were seen to pasture in the meadow, accompanied by two young shepherds, thus expressing clearly with this spiritual allegory the three months of Springtime, by means of the three celestial signs corresponding to them: Aries, Taurus, Gemini."

L. Kolisko, in her study "Spirit in Matter", has shown the particular forces which play through solved metals at springtime. By sinking the tip of a filter-paper into a solution of silver nitrate, a precipitation is made on the paper as the solution rises up through it. The experience done in winter, no forms will appear. At spring, soft radiating forms appear in the precipitate, thus showing the presence of etheric forces.

The alchemist of the dry way knows how to attract and fix these etheric forces into a salinous substance, the secret Fire. When this is done, a green tincture ensues, which is worth noting when considering the relationships Venus-Spring-Prana; The green energy of Osiris, etc. That this green tincture is truly the color of immature astral gold, and not explicable by current chemical knowledge, has been proved to myself by experience. Working in such a polluted city as Madrid, only a slightly yellowish color ensued, which is what could be expected from the chemical point of view, greenish tinctures seldom appearing. At the same time, a friend of mine worked in the country, performing just the same operation, and a most beautiful emerald green appeared. By an over-exact work, the increasing in weight of the secret fire, because of the condensation of the Universal Spirit, may even be determined.

Those who have read Frater Albertus' meeting with Eugene Canseliet in The Alchemist of the Rocky Mountains may read it again with this article in mind, and will surely find it more understandable.

Now to the question, "what do you understand under philosophical mercury?" the reply of Canseliet comes:

"The soul, this is the minute part, that can be obtained from the mass during the sublimating in the dry way. This is also called the little fish (LA REMORE) that becomes a stone."

The 'little fish" is the magnet attracting astral gold, will be the lapis philosophorum. To produce this magnet, a gold of the second species, "the purest and most perfect portion of the elements, and of all substances composed by them", must be extracted here as dry menstrua, the extracted soul been finally treasured the secret fire. Thus, the works Fulcanelli begin to have some meaning unto us. For example, when referring to the fruits of the Garden of Hesperides (elixir vitae and transmutation stone):

"Each of these fruits is the rest of a progressive condensation of solar fire by secret fire, incarnated word, celestial spirit corporified all things of this world." So much could be said . . . there is enough food for thinking. Thus, those who may be interested in developing the immense possibilities of Alchemy in this area, may thus find a way of entrance to dry workings, workings which are not fancies, but experienced by many as laboratory realities at present, ad majorem Dei gloriam.


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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:40 am

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“The ether is set in-motion by the rays of the sun whoever succeeds in diffracting and concentrating the sun rays by means of mirrors and lenses can generate certain waves in the ether and he who knows how to unite the energy of the elemental fire with that of the Ignis essentialis (essence of fire) will be able to observe the very slow but very sure formation of fluid drops which are without peer for a host of disease! "Who knows how to unite the energy of elemental fire (earth) with that of the essence of fire (heaven)..." What thing on earth, what "magnet" will attract this celestial fire/nitre/Chalybs?


hi traveller

ok traveller that is very interesting ok and according to you then what would be the real system that indicates above von bernus TO ACHIEVE THE REAL SM BY SOLAR BEAMS?
and which, according to you, is the concrete and explicit method that describes here von bernus?
what to do and how to do this according to your opinion,and in your experience as you therefore say to attract the real MS from the air
the REAL SM
and it is not only water and air humidity

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hi traveller

ok traveller cio è molto interessante ok e secondo te dunque quale sarebbe i vero sistema che indica qui sopra von bernus PER ATTRARRE IL VERO SM DAI RAGGI SOLARI ?
e quale secondo te è il metodo concreto ed esplicito che descrive qui von bernus ?
cosa fare e come fare cio secondo la tua opinione? e tue esperienze come dunque tu dici di attrarre il vero SM dall'aria ?
il VERO SM
e non e non solo acqua e umidita dell'aria

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sun Dec 17, 2017 3:37 am

Hello Alexbr,

If you want to go deep into the mysteries then again you will find the answer in the Magical writings. A reader must have a right comprehension that what the Eugenius is trying to tell us behind his Magical words.

I was about to post his very useful words, but then I didn't post, because peoples complain that I post some long, so you have to read it yourself.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sun Dec 17, 2017 4:04 am

Paracelsus for instance names these: Alcool Vini de Pino, de Chelidonia, Essentia Melissae, etc. Take the Essentia Melissae de vita longa C.III.C. 5. The Melissa is digested for 40 days; then through cohobation, the two components are separated, creating the quinta essentia, which is the elixir of life.

The fact that Paracelsus, however, did know the Spiritus Vini Lulliani and that he also used it can be taken from the same description of the Spiritus Vini (de Vita longa, C.III. C.9). The wine is digested for 2 months in horse manure; then you see a very thin and pure layer like a fat on the surface, which is the Spiritus Vini; everything underneath is phlegm. This fat when digested alone and separately is highly effective for longevity.

I have thought about why the process does not lead to an essence with the predicted effects. In my opinion the reason lies in a misinterpretation of the manufacturing direction. In reality potassium carbonate is used on chemical examination to disintegrate the dried balm. As extractive solvent one takes absolute alcohol. Both matters have significance in alchemy, but almost certainly are not the both substances Paracelsus has used.

Consider: The salt magnet of the old ones was not potassium carbonate. Of course they used calcined tartar as raw material, which however was caustified by using further substances and first thereby was made to their salt magnet. If one caustifies the tartar, so one receives an essentially more alkaline salt, which owns a much stronger magnetic effect. In addition Paracelsus might have used the volatile mercury from the dry distillation of acetates as his extractive solvent. You may not forget, that the alchemists widely have spoken of the spirit of wine, but have meant thereby their spirit of philosophical wine.

Hence the repetition of the manufacturing process with the stronger salt magnet and the spirit of philosophical wine might lead to the genuine ens melissae.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:16 am

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 You may not forget, that the alchemists widely have spoken of the spirit of wine, but have meant thereby their spirit of philosophical wine.

OK and in your opinion and your experience what it made the true spiritus wine philosophical ??

as made it ?? in your opinion ?

the secret put ; oleosum cum acidum

wiedenlfeld book prodromus etc and the 4 book secretis adeptorun ,
becker book das acetone ,
kunkel book epistola contra spiritus vini sine acido

your opinion about ?

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sun Dec 17, 2017 5:17 am

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Hello Alexbr,

If you want to go deep into the mysteries then again you will find the answer in the Magical writings. A reader must have a right comprehension that what the Eugenius is trying to tell us behind his Magical words.

I was about to post his very useful words, but then I didn't post, because peoples complain that I post some long, so you have to read it yourself.


eugenius is very large and speak of many question

(NB Eugene Canseliet in all group serious all know Eugene Canseliet not

arrive at any whit him work of reguls antimony etc)

so in your opinion what are the page about it

not problem is long put or give the exact number of page thank

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:24 am

Check PM.

Here I have collected some useful information from the writings of Frater Albertus,...

Frater Albertus wrote:
Q. In the purification process within ourselves: We can purify our body which is salt. We can purify our thoughts - our sulphur. Please enlarge on how we purify our spirit or life force - our Mercury.

A. By purifying the blood which is the carrier of spirit (Life). A So-called dead substance can only be revived by the addition of spirit (life). This means its own alkahest or that derived from other things.

Q. To what planetary influence does the grape belong? And tartar?

A. Both belong to the sun.

Q. Is there any iron in wine?

A. A small amount, yes.

Q. In one of the previous classes you talked about the Shroud of Turin. It shows a number of remarkable features, e.g. the nail through the proper space in the wrist (the 'space of Destot') and not the palm, and a very noble face, like one imagines the face of a righteous king. What is the Shroud of Turin?

A. A piece of cloth believed to be the one in which Jesus the Christ was wrapped when he was taken from the cross. It is unusual but still of questionable origin.

Q. Hyssop appears to be used several times in the Holy Bible: John 19:29, Jesus is given sour wine and hyssop while on the cross; Psalms 5L7, "Purge me with hyssop, and I shall be clean." Ex. 12.11 Moses called to take a lamb and kill it at passover - "And take a bunch of hyssop, and dip it in the blood that is in the basin, and strike the lintel." Please comment on the meaning and the value of such an herb having such religious focus.

A. Many herbs are mentioned in the bible. As it says above: "Purge" me with Hyssop indicates the quality of the herb and in its religious sense a cleansing or purging of the body and soul are considered essential.

Q. What is the liquid obtained when I place a purified salt in a cool, moist place for a period of time? Example: K2C03, Juniper berry salt.

A. Some salts are very hygroscopic and attract from the moist air essential substances like free nitrogen to enrich the distillate therefrom.

Q. Basil Valentine said that: "If the spirit of wine be added to aqua fortis there will be a strong effervessence, and these two substances will not agree; but if they be properly united by means of philosophical distillation, they will form a highly useful compound." I have put them together and they explode. First, what is he making and must they be put together without allowing them to explode?

A. This has to be handled very carefully. Both are very much alive and of contrary nature. A drop by drop method is usually best.

Q. What can be put in alcohol to absorb the water that may be in it?

A. Dehydrated lime or potassium carbonate anhydrous.

Q. Exposing calcined tartar to the air (Parachemica Vol. 1, No. 3, page 16) I find that only very little moisture is attracted to it and that it does not become a liquid. Could I use distilled rain water to wet the black powder and filter the salts out ?

A. Yes. Patience and favourable conditions, however, will make it absorb enough moisture to run into liquid.

Q. Can the salt of tartar absorb and accumulate the energy found in spirit of wine by the proper manipulations?

A. Not only in the spirit of wine but also from the air.

Q. Can this energy be transferred to fresh highly rectified spirit of wine to increase its potential as a menstruum?

A. Yes, by pouring the absolute alcohol over such liquified salt of tartar. The alcohol will become a tincture as it extracts the essence of the tartar. By rectification an energized menstruum may be obtained.

Q. Would this process be similar to that of Kerkringus' menstruum?

A. By analogy, yes.

Q. What can be done to get a higher degree of heat from an ordinary Fisher burner?

A. Use some ordinary cement asbestos transite pipe. Cut so that you can partly immerse your crucible in the cylinder and yet have it above the flame of the burner. Cut some air holes in the bottom for oxygen supply and leave enough of an opening on top so that the flame will not be extinguished for lack of oxygen.

Q. About how many degrees of heat are there in the Ist degree, 2nd degree, 3rd degree and 4th degree?

A. The first degree is associated with the water bath temperature, the second with the sandbath, the third formerly with the heat of ashes and the fourth with open fire.

Q. I've read several times in different books about Potable Gold. To my understanding this means you can drink it. Is this possible? Can you bring a recipe how to make it and give the source?

A. "The Alchemical Writings of Edward Kelly" contain the following: A Way of Making Potable Gold.' "There are two kinds of potable gold. one is called Elixir, and is the stone liquefied into oil; the other is extracted melted calx of gold with the red oil of Saturn. All other recipes and methods of alchemists are inept and far from our intention, for whatsoever reduced into a body, the same is crude and undecocted. Nature develops what is good into what is better by the way of alteration. Gold which has passed through alteration or physical solution has not been educed into something better. Take oil of lead, and circulate for forty days in a steam bath. Distil in retort till more than half has ascended, and then there will be seen in the vessel a white and crystalline water remaining at the bottom, while the oil floats on the surface. Take up this oil, and place the water by itself, as it is worthless; distil this oil slowly two or three times; when quite free from water, circulate for three days, then rectify, and it will be ready."

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Sun Dec 17, 2017 7:38 am

sure

spritus wine philosophical based on :

alchol and acidun

oleosum and acidun

see here glauber on basil valentino




traveller Thanks for pdf of quote eugenius in your email

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Mon Dec 18, 2017 2:13 am

I already said, that if there is anything in the writings of Glauber, then we will take it as a Minor Alchemy, but it doesn’t mean that from these things a person cannot learn, even a person can learn from everything, as I was said to you, even he is a false expert like our Nik, or false teacher like Frater Albertus, in the same way the works of Glauber have their own meanings behind his words. Here what Glauber is doing, it is telling us that he got the dulcification like of the ancients, even he used a completely different thing, Why ?,… Because the thing he used (Fire) is also having the same origins which thing philosophers touch in their works (Mercury), and this is the reason that Glauber is also getting the similar results but only in a minor alchemy.

Hope you understand my meanings that how every information is useful, even of the false experts, because their committed errors are like a bridge to connect us to the vague and ambiguous words of the philosophers.

I remember once I was asked to an adept, that how you found this Art, then in reply he was said,…

“A big part I learned from the mistakes of the Ignorants.”

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Mon Dec 18, 2017 3:41 am

Alexbr wrote:
wiedenlfeld book prodromus etc and the 4 book secretis adeptorun ,
becker book das acetone ,
kunkel book epistola contra spiritus vini sine acido

I am trying to make a complete collection of all the writings of the philosophers, and arranging into a one single understandable form.

I want to mention that there are already many seekers of this Art who has also given us this kind of a collection of the words of the Philosophers, like the one of Segerus Weidenfeld, but in his volume the Weidenfeld is only showing us his approach, that how many writings of the philosophers he was read, and so he arranged all of them in a single form, even method fits or not. He made the task even more difficult that anyone who read his big volume, will become even more confused, as he put the different recipes from all the books of the philosophers all into his one collection without practicing it and also without its proper understanding. As Axis was saying about a guy, who put the different quotes from the different books by taking and understanding all of them as on a same subject, even the referring words are leading to something else.

In the same way Weidenfeld also mentioned all the things he was read and collected from other books, even the method was not any worth to read or add in the collection, but he was assuming it a secret recipe, as he mentioned many methods where involves the use of different plant oils, which Alex also mentioned in a thread below.

So as the Weidenfeld goes in his volume, by using the names of “First Menstruum, Second Mestruum, Third Mestruum” but in fact all is one, and there is no difference that either we make it through any of the given method of the philosophers.

The main purpose behind writing his book, I can only see in this way that where he enlighten the words “Secret Spirit of Wine of Lully”, which words was his main purpose to tell to all the seekers of this Art, that the secret Spirit of Wine of Lully and of the adepts is something other, which is in properties similar to the common Spirit of Wine, but it is nothing to do with this common Spirit of Wine, but it can be extracted from this common Spirit of Wine in a philosophical way, and that’s why the adepts given it a name of Spirit of Wine, and also the other names like Uriine, Vinegar, Dew, Acids and Milk. But in properties, appearance, and function all are one and the same thing, that either we make it this way, or the other, that’s why the different writings of the different philosophers doesn’t match in their long processes and show us a different task, but in truth all of them is giving us a same Menstruum in the end. Where in all of these paths the Weidenfeld seems to be confuse, that’s why he was complicating and trying to understand these different mestruums by giving each of them a different name, because he gone too far away from the understanding of a very simple origins that those all the 24 Menstruums he is going to mention in his volume, these all are giving us the same one single thing.

So finally I want to tell you, that there are not as many 24 methods as Weidenfeld was mentioned to make this one Mestruum, but there are only a few of the methods to make it, as all the philosophers mentioned in all of their books, which we call a “Universal Way” and are total 7 in number, so the rest of the methods given by our Weidenfeld are completely out of theory where most of them comes from his false assumption and wrong understanding of this Art, as he created a big jumble mess by taking everything into the form of a one single collection where mostly the many things mentioned in his book are completely out of subject, and never lead anyone towards a proper guidance, but in place of this, these informations are even trying to confuse all the seekers of this Art.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Mon Dec 18, 2017 6:17 am

SVP SPIRTITUS WINE PHILOSOPHICAL CORRECT ?


SO IN YOUR PERSONAL OPINION traveller WHERE ARE AND AS MADE IT IN YOUR OPINION ?? the CORRECT SVP ??


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I already said, that if there is anything in the writings of Glauber, then we will take it as a Minor Alchemy, but it doesn’t mean that from these things a person cannot learn, even a person can learn from everything, as I was said to you, even he is a false expert like our Nik, or false teacher like Frater Albertus, in the same way the works of Glauber have their own meanings behind his words. Here what Glauber is doing, it is telling us that he got the dulcification like of the ancients, even he used a completely different thing, Why ?,… Because the thing he used (Fire) is also having the same origins which thing philosophers touch in their works (Mercury), and this is the reason that Glauber is also getting the similar results but only in a minor alchemy.

Hope you understand my meanings that how every information is useful, even of the false experts, because their committed errors are like a bridge to connect us to the vague and ambiguous words of the philosophers.

I remember once I was asked to an adept, that how you found this Art, then in reply he was said,…

“A big part I learned from the mistakes of the Ignorants.”


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The main purpose behind writing his book, I can only see in this way that where he enlighten the words “Secret Spirit of Wine of Lully”, which words was his main purpose to tell to all the seekers of this Art, that the secret Spirit of Wine of Lully and of the adepts is something other, which is in properties similar to the common Spirit of Wine, but it is nothing to do with this common Spirit of Wine, but it can be extracted from this common Spirit of Wine in a philosophical way, and that’s why the adepts given it a name of Spirit of Wine, and also the other names like Uriine, Vinegar, Dew, Acids and Milk. etc 

Hi traveller

ok SO as you say in your opinon weidenfeld glauber etc and many more many in your opinion not know an wrong  

SO

in your personal opinion as made it ? SO BY Spirit of Wine, and also the other names like Uriine, Vinegar, Dew, Acids and Milk.ETC  

and SO traveller in your personal opinion as made in what exact book or exact write of true alchimist there are the true an correct instruction ? for made SVP? by the different matters:
Spirit of Wine Uriine, Vinegar, Dew, Acids and Milk.ETC to made different spiritus wine philosophical ?
 

SO

IN YOUR OPINION AS MADE IT THIS SPIRITUS WINE PHILOSOPHICAL BY Spirit of Wine, and also the other names like Uriine, Vinegar, Dew, Acids and Milk.etc
as made it IN YOUR OPINION ??[/color]

and your what is your opinion on research and discoveries on spiritus wine philosophical give by becker in him book
your opinion on discoveries on spiritus wine philosophical of becker
in him book das acetone ??

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Tue Dec 19, 2017 1:18 am

Hello Alexbr,

There was some very early philosophers who used Milk in their alchemical works, which I was only read in some traditional books of Shia, and still there is a women who mastered the Art, she is a hindu, and use sow’s milk (pig’s female) for making the virgin’s milk of the Philosophers. She was successfully transmuted a coin of bronze metal.

I also searched in the books of the philosophers to find out this information but I wasn’t find anywhere such a thing that philosophers used Milk for the putrefaction of their matter.

These things I say will be really confusing for someone, but peoples think that they know about this fact that why the philosophers Putrefy their matter, but in answer I say it’s a secret and they don’t know anything about it. Unless a person is not an Adept, he cannot understand these wordings of the philosophers, and cannot judge this that where it represent a literal thing or where philosophical or where they write esoterically and where exoterically.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Tue Dec 19, 2017 6:27 am

In our language its just say “Dua and Dwa” means Meditation and Medicine. Both are connected to each other, one cannot work without the help and proper command of the other. I was also put one post on the same subject, that until a person don’t activate his soul by using the medicines of the Sun, he cannot do anything trickery from his mind, like to show physic powers, by demonstrating an unusual thing.

At the very first a person should to have a strong physical form (as a healthy body has a healthy mind), and then he can to go towards spirituality, otherwise the way to go directly towards spiritualism is useless. Strong hands and strong legs as well as a strong heart represents a good physical form of the body.

The persons who practice spiritualism without understanding this basic, mostly they lose their physical strength in this way and becomes more weak, Spiritualism is much like a phenomena of doing sexx, as it cannot be well to do without a good strength and without a good and healthy condition of the body, so in the same way, the artist who chose their way of these Meditations without using any Medicines mostly starts to lose their present condition, and in place of becoming near to life they even starts to go away with it.

I already mentioned here that how Allah created us, where lies less part of the Spirit and much of the physical form. Life is the conjunction of body and spirit where both engenders to make a one single form. Where the physical part of our body (area below the neck) dominate over the astral form of our body (area above the neck). It is the right and exact constitution as how Allah created us.

The below part (body) needs the anima of the Sun to strengthen its powers and to lead it towards its highest level, and the above part (brain) needs the anima of the Moon to strengthen its powers towards its highest perfection. That's why the Adepts advise us to use only the Anima of the Sun for the perfection of our whole body, because of the dominancy of the Sun over Moon.

This is the perception if we want to look in ourselves, where Sun (heat) dominate over the Moon (cold), which also carries the reason that why we are motile. As in plants we see the same thing but contrary to it, where Moon (cold) dominate over the Sun (heat) and that’s why the Plants cannot move.

As our Alchemy teaches us that the radical moisture of the Moon brings its condensation by the vital heat of the Sun, so Allah choses this duality to form everything on earth, but in living it goes somewhere very specifically Active, where we see the both Sun and Moon in a more vitalizing form, that’s why we are called, the one of the best creatures in the whole animals kingdom.

Drugs concentrate the element of Moon and that’s why the intoxicated persons don’t feel much of their body, or it deactivates the body, and brings the dominancy of the Moon (brain) in us. As we all know that they have very sharp minds and very weak body. That’s why I have already excluded the use of any plant in the works of Alchemy, because many peoples mix the wrong things like drugs with the medicines of Alchemy, even these things are not worthy to be call a medicine, which deactivates the body (even strengthens the mind) but it is no way to go to follow a path by hiding something and find a way of healing.

So what I say that both the Meditations (i.e. Prayers) and Medicines are connected to each other, and who expertise the Art of Alchemy by the proper and right use of both of these things, only he deserves to be call an Adept.

I found a book where is mentioned such things, (shama shabistan), it is a very interesting book, where has written many strange things, but the main purpose of this book is to enlighten the word of Spiritual Healing, which he is preferring to do along with the alchemical medicines.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Wed Dec 20, 2017 1:24 am

As Eugenius Philalethes was talking about the Water extracted from Philosophers Vitriol which can do miracles as he himself experienced so the very similar things I am reading from another source, on the topic of the same Water,…

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This water, aka Aqua Alba Suavis Dulcis Spiritus vini philosophicus, will need to be filtered 3 times, very gently, into a gourd, which will make it even sweeter and completely pure, transparent, and clean. Marvelous and nearly miraculous things can be made with this heavenly, magnetic water, which has the pleasant, strong aroma of violets.

Take a pound of this universal mineral water, placing it in an ampoule with a glass stopper, the opening upwards. One third of the ampoule must be left empty. Place the ampoule in front of a window, leave without disturbing for four weeks. You will see it increase, become heavier and fill the entire ampoule.

Magnetic Water: For example, you can see how this water works so miraculously in magnetic way through the glass when exposed to air, but otherwise not. Take a pound of this universal mineral water and put it in a vial, the mouth upwards with a cork of glass, made together a sextuple firm lutum with some bladder of steer and the white cloth to egg white well beaten, the vial has however to be empty for the third part. Put to the air opposite a window the vial with such water, make it rest for 4 weeks so that it can stay calm and cannot be moved, and it will be seen with great amazement that this water will attract the Spiritus mundi from the Sun and from the moon in magnetic way and that it increases, it gets heavy and fills the whole vial. When the moon decreases, if you allow the vase to rest, the picked spirit would lose little by little and would disappear in the air so that you don’t know where has disappeared, all of this happens, if you don't remove from the air the spirit and you don't preserve it closed in a box; and it is really a great wonder of nature to recognize so the magnetic forces and to see how the astral spirits have a harmony and relationship so great with the mineral spirits. During the period in which the vial rests to the air in front of the window, you will see to fluctuate a marvelous reflex of sun rays to surprise very much, it is as if the rays were strongly and violently attracted from the vial.

Plants Arcane: If you take then a faded grassy plant or flowers or a sapling of lemons, even if it was totally dry and faded in such way that it can be reduced in crumbs by hand, and if you put it in this water with the root that must still have remained to the log in a great sugar vase for 8 days, this sapling will rise again to new life, verdant and growing flourishing, after little time, as if it was just planted, all of this is a great secretum naturae to admire with amazement.

If you put inside a coal piece of a healthy tree just burnt and you let it digest within for one month, with mild heat and well covered, it will have become soft as wax when you will remove it. Planted in fresh ground, to the air, a new and fresh sapling will rise from the coal after little time, equal to the tree from which the coal had been taken. Plants, flowers and trees that rise again in this way don't fade for many years, last for a long time, always bloom and bring fruits 2 times a year.

Take a pound of this universal spirit, add essential water distilled by a plant from what you haven't separated the flowers, the roots and the leaves made ferment to 1/2 pound. Also take an extract from the same plant, 3 lot of [symbol] essential and clarified, let melt the all on a heat source.

Therefore fill a bottle or a sugar jar a little more than half so that remain 3 inches of space above, close it hermetically with bladder, put it to the air in front of a window in a quiet place for a few weeks, it has to stay still and has not to be moved, and the plant will start growing after few days, big and high as the vase till there is spirit inside the vase; and will grow as the plant from what it was caught the [symbol] and distilled water.

However, as soon as you move the vase, it turns over, because the plant cannot establish and bind well in the vase. But if you add ash of the same plant, a certain solar earth, the better eastern Bolus Armenicus at the beginning when you put all in the vase, a plant or a complete flower will grow soon, fixed firmly with roots, and it will not fade any more, but will last forever, if you pour every month 2 or 3 spoons of the universal above-mentioned spirit in the vase as nourishment with which the plant can feed and grow, and the vase exactly must not be closed completely.

Metallic Arcane: To come therefore to the metallic jobs with this philosophical mineral, you can graduate (perfect) the better gold during 3 days. Take the caput mortuum remained after the distillation of the magnetic spirit and extract the [symbol] through digestion or boiling with distilled rainwater, and still is possible to wash it 3 times with distilled rainwater. In above-mentioned spiritual water put [symbol] so that it can melts sweetly as ice in water, and it extracts its bloody soul which perfumes sweetly as moss and amber during 40 days. If this water is extracted from the melted gold 6 times in the B.M. up to a dense extract through sweet distillation, and if it then is poured, when got cold, the Soul Auri will always remain in form of a blood-red dense oil, not extinguishable, with which are made lamps that burn everlastingly, how for instance:

Philosophers Inextinguishable Fire: Take 2 lot of this red gold oil, pour it in a glass cruet lengthened made just for this function, Close it in a small glass box so that the air cannot enter and that also remains immobile, put inside a thin wick of Alumine plumoso, cut cautiously, that was pickled 14 [symbol] in [symbol] and dried to the air, also wrapped by a thread made of very thin gold; the wick must have the thickness of a straw twig and the length of half little finger, if it is lit and protected from the air can also burn 400 years and more.
A lot burns for 200 years, as fathers and ancestors have already written. I gave His majesty the emperor Leopold a cruet of 6 lot golden oil, to put it in the tomb together to the late empress Claudia, he gave a gift of singular generosity in exchange.

When the spirit was extracted distilling from [symbol] for 6 times 'in B.M. as we said above, so that remain not extinguishable blood-red oil, take it away, put it in the sand and distil it with moderate fire 3 or 4 times with caution, pouring the spirit, so this magnetic universal spirit finally will bring with it [symbol] in the blood-red intense vase. This [symbol] cannot be turned any more into physical gold and decomposes so in this spirit radicaliter. Nor the [symbol] nor a different process can modify it.

It's a great work of Art of the Alchymia adepta, and if the spirit is extracted distilling sweetly up to half or a little more of [symbol,] a tincture made of true gold remains.

The inner core of Plants (chlorophyll) comprises on Magnesium, which the ancients called magnesia to call their matter, so the water extracted this way will be very beneficial to plants as he is showing the different proofs where a dead plant is reviving again back to life. In the same way it will also do miracles on other kingdoms because of the existence of their inner core which will altogether make such a magnetic water which will show his connection to Macrocosm as well as to the Microcosm.

The other miraculous effect he is telling us in the minerals kingdom by making an everburning lamp from the Gold. In my very first thread of “Science of Nature’ I was mentioned the constitution of Gold, which I was said that it is exactly as of common Fire, but the difference is that common Fire having the very subtle form while in Gold dwells the same spirit in a highly gross and perfected form, where I was also took the name of Nicholas Flammel that he attached a synonym along with his name, as it comes from Flamma which means Fire.

And in the book of French he also mentioned a method to make the Everburning lamp with Tin, which is another way to make the same thing with different philosophical Water, but with this method it will burn ever lasting than made by any other way as he is also telling us its long time, because of the high decoction of Gold and his matured state than other things.

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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:12 am

hi traveller
NB this is a one absolutly incomplete instruction of our thesauro thesaurorum our edition agape prometeo (nella versione italiana )pag 155 chapter tintura universale preparata per via umida ex magnesia filosofica in our (version franch)pag 85
TEINTURE UNIVERSELLE PREPAREE PAR LA VOIE HUMIDE EX
MAGNESIE PHILOSOPHIQUE (with bismuth or argentite of zinc)


this instruction is total incomplete in this instruction you have put here there are not all the first part where are say clear the matter we must use for have this water secret it is magnesis and in instruction magnesisis bismuth or argentite of zinc
all this first part you not have put and here is lost you not have put about this instruction a very large part of this instruction on magnesia bismuth or argentite of zinc
and this instruction in our translation of thesauro is very clear and it is are inside a big chapter of thesauro thesaurorum TEINTURE UNIVERSELLE PREPAREE PAR LA VOIE HUMIDE EX
MAGNESIE PHILOSOPHIQUE of our translation and our edition agape prometeo and the first part is all instruction

now i found all instruction with also the very important first part that you not put and i post it so we can correct on complete correct instruction discussion deep by it with true matter to use and made it

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i think if we want discussion deep is better not go in personal not complete opinion but we must take the original instruction of the original grade internal of RC  that there are and with not mystery not pm email and in clear and all open for all (as always nik made ) discussion deep it


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PostSubject: Re: Accumulated Info!   Wed Dec 20, 2017 7:40 am

I know that this is all about humid way, and I have all of this version, but the few pages I put here, only to enlighten a thing which Eugenius was telling us.

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