What do crystals from the GW3 look like?

This thread is to clear up one very specific topic which is the crystals one obtains by following nick's GW method 3.

Nick said

"3. Now filter the spirit so its free of the residue, and place it in
a clean distillation flask. Then distill the spirit off gently until
a skin begins forming on the surface of the water. This is the
sign that the solution is now supersaturated, and can be
placed in a fridge so beautiful bright red and dark red
transparent crystals will grow."

I have read some people say these are supposed to be red, others said the redness is only on the outside and these are actually white or colorless.

Photos would be great.

Merc, sozimo, alexbr, Edgarl or anyone who made these crystals, your response is appreciated.

You want red crystals (which are not easy to get), at least there should be a yellow tinge to them. Otherwise, you will only have salt which won't work by itself without the soul. You don't want brown which is nothing but filth contaminating your dry menstrum. I don't think it has to be red but usually a reflection of its potency. The red/yellow being the active principle of sulfur.

The second spirit, extracted and matured will turn into a red mercury. This sample (fr 4 gallons gw) has matured for over 6 months and has dropped its brown filth and earth. This stuff is super potent and remains sealed. Needs to be filtered and combined with the caput salt (1/4) and rectified until it is all volatized and inseparable. Then generate the pure red crystals (like GW3) or use as is, wet. (This being my own method from working with these things and what I am thinking of doing next). Sort of bad pic, hard to get a good pic of the deep red color. This stuff is so stinky and penetrates everything, so I only work on it when I have nothing else going on and I'm mentally "prepared" for it



I avoided eating processed food for 2 days (loaded with sulfates), eating light, natural alive food and drank at least a bottle of red wine the night before the mornings of collection. Just made sense to me to eliminate a potential issue as our "modern food" which is loaded with preservatives and do it like they would have. I think there is less filth to clean out when you do it that way.

I don't have any salt prepared at the moment. I did burn some earlier salt, so I put it outside to hang with dew and it has gone through some incredible changes over the months. I'll see if I can find some pics later.

thanks!

My first try i got transparent crystals. Second try i got brown crystals (they were red when wet, once dried they were brown) and some whitish skin.
Third try i got colorless transparent crystals and round red (but not spherical) blobs.

Could you post a close up photo of some crystals? it would give me an idea of what to look for, shape-wise, and how they look once you first see them crystallized in the cooled and supersaturated liquid.

On the diet, Bartlett and others says to avoid salt also and somehwere else they say to just drink wine when collecting gw.

Based on my small research i found that red crystal formation is quite common in old GW when the uric acid levels are abundant in the body ; which is easy these days of high protein and processed food increasing the acidity in the body , and there seems to be quite of bit of information on this if you search for old GW uric acid red crystals .
About 2 months ago i had small quantity of GW which i kept unsealed for a few days just to observe the surface formations etc then i decided to get rid of it , and emptied the whole thing and kept the container unwashed outside the sun , and few days later to my amazement there were orange/red sand grain like sediments at the bottom , so i went ahead and and filled that container with a fresh supply of my GW and very quickly the whole thing turned dark like a GW thats been maturing for weeks ,
i hope this is a good thing...I got this GW added to 7 litres of it collected from morning GW and they have been digesting in a incubator at around 37 degrees celcius for the past 2 months and the color is almost brown now.
As far as my diet is concerned i am likely to be on the alkaline side since i dont eat any processed foods or much meat , however i eat about 100 grms of cheese everyday and lots of fruits , no drinking or smoking...The other thing to contemplate is that the food people ate back in the old days were high in meat and salt which would result with high uric acid levels in their body .

Another possibility could be eat some cream of tartar (a common food substance) see... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Potassium_bitartrate

...Or swedish bonbons with the famous sal armoniac, also named turkish pepper. See... http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Salty_liquorice
It seems to me that it works.

What about Tartaric Acid?

Yes, it's the same. Both are used in food industry.

In the ITA version of Wiki about acido tartarico.
"The main source of L-tartaric acid used in the food industry is constituted by by-products of grape pressing in which is present in the form of potassium salt. It is, therefore, natural tartaric acid. The European Union allows use without restriction (quantum satis) identified with the initials E334 (Ministerial Decree 209, Supplement No. 69 OJ n ° 96, 24 April 1996 and Directive 95/2/EC) [2]. The L-tartaric acid is added to certain foods such as candies, jams and fruit juices to provide a sour taste. It is used as an antioxidant and emulsifier in bakery and in the preparation of baking powder for cakes and bread. Finally it employs in the wine to balance its acidity".

Anyway, I must admit that I'm not specialized in GW, and that I'm not a strong believer of the need of the redness in crystals.

Merc,

what do you mean by the "second spirit"? Acc. tto the recipe putrif. GW is destilled to get the spirit. And where do you get the salt of the caput from. We are supposed to distill after combining it and circulation till its supersaturated and then put into the fridge. Do you distill it to dryness and add distill. dew/rainwater filter and evapor.? Like Hollandus recommends?

I think vacuum sublimation is a good way of cleaning the in spirit dissolved crystals?

Frank

Guys,

Friedrich Gualdo the great German master said that dew, rainwater, hail, etc works everytime. GW not always. What is in dew... that is not always in the right proportion in GW. It's definitly not red wine. It's not uric acid either. 7mg per 100 ml too ridiculously low. Can you figure it out?

Frank

Frank,

is the answer some form of nitrate?

About the second spirit, i think (and please correct me if i'm wrong) that Merc means the oil from the CM, the loin's blood, the soul, which is red (but i have read some places that you also get a white liquid before you get the red) when we digest the spirit with the CM (in GW3) the spirit extracts the oil out, then the oil and the salt combine together with the aid of the spirit as we digest them, then we filter out the things that are not dissolved and evaporate and crystallize.

Let's keep diet discussions here http://www.illuminated-alchemists.com/t229p285-gw-method-3#5668 and keep this post to discuss what the crystals one gets from gw#3 look like

Frank—

The second spirit is the one that comes after the phlegm before sublimating any salt of the caput. Like the alchemists would call it by looking for the “veins” regardless of what it really was technically. This is especially critical if no putrefaction takes place (philalethes). I also think GW is a hard path and very little is written on it…(that can make it fun to explore for a few).

If anything, we would call the volatile salt ammonia carbonate but better to think “inside” our matrix. Some think the fixed is simply ammonium chloride but there are better salts to be had…the matrix is much more complicated than that and we want them to combine. But honestly GW is a world within itself, there is so much that can be explored…but it’s a lonely path and apparently no 2 peeps are the same .

I’ll show you some gw salts and the evolution into finally arriving at a volatile macrocosmic salt…you get past the squares and you’ll see these perfect triangles (just like in Sb solutions) and then see a crystal formation like dew (the longer oblong) and shortly after that they will combine into feathers. Mind you I’m just talking about crystallizations and not sublimations….even so, the salt gets so volatile it crystalizes and moves up the walls of any container. It will dissolve glass at that point and strip any metal you touch it to. Loaded with fire. Not too much better than deliquescing to get fire….a much more potent way to collect the fire than rain or dew.

Anyhow, I agree with you guys it does get tiring to work with it when there are such nicer materials that contain the same thing. I just figured it was something we could all work on together. I have a gallon putrefied that I just can’t seem to start working on…other lab work seems to always get the priority. I guess at the right time it will be ready:)
I really think the process is more important than the chemical, everyone is looking for a chemical…learn the process of putrefaction, how to volatize, coagulate & fix…then you can worry about what matter you want to start with…

“He who did not see the same at the beginning of his work, irrespective of all other colors the stone might show throughout time, he has gone astray from the right path. Because whoever does not putrefy, does not work in the correct way, especially since without putrefaction nothing is destroyed nor born; consequently, inside the stone grows no life vegetabilis.” Flamel

Ok have some homemade wine to go distill…I’ll see about posting some pics a bit later.

Thanks

Wanted to share some interesting GW crystals. You have probably seen similar in your own work:

GW Stalags:


Crystallization when dumping out a super saturated solution:


Sublimating the caput which looks like it is filled with gold leaf (but only pure GW):



These are basically all showing too much heat, too early for this method…it is better to evaporate and fix the caput in the sun, then extract with the spirit.

Crystals changing with daily re-crystallizations to make a powerful salt. This is a low tech process and takes some time… like a long slow extended GW3+. The sun and day is used at the end to charge and volatize. The salt pictured opened relatively quickly. Another one that “twinned” this salt with everything the same (except batch), done at the same time, took a year to start to open…variability and stank…2 negatives with this material.

The starting material was petrified outside to the second stage of deep blackness and double sharpness. Then distillation of phlegm and stopped without sublimation of 2nd spirit or salts as we want those to remain in the caput. The caput should bleed red when wet. 1st Spirit was poured back on caput after a long gentle drying to extract the salt. Then the salt is dissolved and coagulated until it combines with metals upon contact. It is the process that opens, not the chemical. You can use many things. Volatize to raise things above and coagulate to then bring back down. Repeat the process until it changes. That’s it.

Let’s look at some physical changes in this process:

Month 1

Don’t burn the salt dry during crystallizations…a fine line. This one was thrown out. This white living salts burn dark, if dead it stays white on burn.



Crystals looking good and clean but not transformed. You could use these but they will be weak. The solution is still red… want it red like that when coagulating at first but better if the entire time to make sure the goodies end up in the salt. The salt we are creating here in this method is not a red salt itself but the yellow living part is needed in it to transform it.



Eventually irregular clear crystals start to form



Bottom shot. This is a consistent sign when the salt is ready to open.



Starting to get opaque, flaky and fine. You could probably use it now but it can get much more powerful.



I’ll have to continue in another post, a bit later...

Month 2

If you haven’t burned it, you should be able to still see the sulfur at the tips on slow drying…this salt is volatile mushy looking and getting fat …even if the redness is burned away at this point, if you see some yellow, you are ok …



Recorded a minute really close to the salt as it was crystallizing--a lot going on. With the naked eye, it doesn't look like anything. Easier to see the layers in the second half on full screen:



These crystallizations were set to evaporate over a 12-24 hour period…every day it was put back into solution in the morning, filtered and slowly crystallized until night time. Use a good lab filter paper for better particle cleaning and superior crystallization.

If you have a dead alkali it wont do much…Start over and be more careful…you would probably do better to treat it as a living being. But above all, simply explore and see what happens. Start doing more experiments any way you can. This is about direct feedback from the universe…it can only show you when you participate with it directly.

Month 4

Now the salt is very opaque and white… interesting shapes like perfect triangles and these little spheres with embedded triangles form…I’m in no rush, so I just enjoy it all. If you are truly into this stuff, you will find it fascinating and interesting… gets the gears turning… how does the same salt changes shape so much?…are you exploring and seeing the results or expecting something to happen and missing it? Loose the expectations and you will learn much more by paying attention to what is occurring. That way you get better at tweaking things.



Similar shaped triangle crystals also show up in antimony solutions:



For the next few crystallizations, I harvested the salt spirit (the salt that crystallizes on the surface not hcl) as this is the most volatile part loaded with oily sulfur and much was volatile at this point. This is put aside to distill for an incredible yellow men-strum which is amazing for putrefaction. What is left in the bottom of the flask is the most fixed part of the salt. If I spoke chemically, I would say I was doing this to work more with the phosphate salts as opposed to the ammonia chlorides/carbonates but it is really not that relevant nor terribly accurate as we have much more than just a few salts mixed together…the equivalent chemical salts do not behave this way and I don’t find it helpful at all to use that framework for this. In fact, it can be a problem to get hung on.

The varying forms and changing geometry relates to different vibration resonance rates …That is another clue that your salt solution is likely not right…If it doesn't change crystal structure as you work it…but still go ahead and try everything. Discoveries are unlimited.

Month 6

It is put outside and loaded with fire. Especially if you think you burned the salt or it is weak and needs to charge and has not opened. Or just because you need a break from it.

If you can get it wet with dew by morning (naturally) and dry it out in the sun during the day, it will be perfect. But don’t sweat it. Just let it go until it fixes and is dry. Repeat. Now the crystals are much more subtle and no longer show the “edges of the squares” at all or much individual shapes …the center is fully exposed and crystallizes as “feathers” reach out. Something new, a good sign:



You will hit a point with the process and everything will fix and no longer wet itself nightly with the dew. Then you continue with distilled dew or rainwater, dissolving, fine filtering and slowly recrystallizing and coagulating in the sunlight. It will take a week or longer to do a cycle.

Month 7

As the salt volatizes, it moves up the walls of the flask or container it is in. It will do this even if dry. The first time it might take a month or so but it will slowly accelerate, reaching higher:



It will crystallize with a large air bubble underneath before it even finishes drying, looking as if it is almost floating off the bottom as it wants to go up so much like all spirit. Lumpy waxy fat surface mounds up.



If it looks good, test with metal… grab a metal spoon (this one solid stainless) with your dry but moist crystals and dip it in and immediately pull it out. That is all it will take at this point. Or better just get some with a plastic spoon and test on any scrap metal (so your mate does not get upset that you ruined a perfectly good utensil ) The salt should instantly bind with the metal. No heat required. Scrub the metal and put it under running water which instantly dissolves this salt (normally)…if it does not come off, even with scraping and scratching & washing, it has obviously combined with it…your salt is now “loaded with fire”.


Few more months and it is even more subtle. You can see the feather look is gone and now it’s more cottony. They are very fine and the larger thicker ridges and even long lines have now given way to smaller curves….it shines and sparkles in the sunlight…



Your turn…

Hi Merc,

Good posting and great documentation!

Thanks for sharing

Hi everyone,

I'd like to ask the help of the Forum, especially the new members since so many seem well informed. I posted these pics before but with no luck.

This sample had Puteryfied only a couple weeks and something entirely new for me formed... are these salts? or something else?

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and they sure look interesting but... what are they?



Many thanks in advance Brethren

Kirk,

I'm only guessing, might they be Ammonium Chloride? I came across this photo on wikipedia today and remembered your pictures




I googled ammonium chloride pictures and found these



and this one
http://www.flickr.com/photos/28617364@N04/8348718951/in/photostream/

and these (worth taking a look at)
http://prismglow.com/chemistry/crystals/crystals.html

disclaimer: i'm no expert, i'm speculating, in my opinion i see similarities between these crystals and yours.

Hi Pray,

Great images! Thx for the effort, I will definetly dig deeper into those.

I might add, only once have the Crystals appeared in such form.
Interesting note... the contributed GW was of the immature variety.

many Thx

Kirk wrote:

Hi everyone,

I'd like to ask the help of the Forum, especially the new members since so many seem well informed. I posted these pics before but with no luck.

This sample had Puteryfied only a couple weeks and something entirely new for me formed... are these salts? or something else?

I've dried them and cleaned them since



and they sure look interesting but... what are they?

GW = materia chaotica, "gur"

around 30-90% of materia chaotica of what you drank a few minutes/hours before
around 30-90% of materia chaotica of what you eat a few minutes/hours before
around 10% of blood excrements
around 10% others

the salt settled is only, given the short process that you did, the earthly part or "gur".

for your luck, this is not ammonia chloride... but test it, if AC you can be sick.

if AC your p e e is supersaturated with all that amount precipitated

if you have the good habit of opening a file for every experiment repeats it, and most certainly you obtain other results... (basically for what you drank/eats)

Recommended reading "the inmortal liquor alkahest..." or something like this. ) a classic of alchemy)

think ALchemically and not chemically...

for chemicall thinking...

http://www.sciencemadness.org/

de res.
pneumatician

guys lets keep this particular thread focused on the original topic, i.e. what the crystals of GW process 3 or any GW work look like.

update: bluefloor thanks for moving the other posts to a new thread

You know, that’s what I always liked about this forum…people posting lab results… try it. This is all about exploring and finding things. Salts from GW are much more active than buying a refined salt…putrefy or sublimate it to make it even more active and apply it to a method. Discoveries abound. Our guidelines are changing state, volatizing, fixing, dissolving, drying out and most importantly repeating the process until you notice changes taking place, so you can separate “good” from the “bad” and pluck a flower. You’re the artist…You do it, work your method.

When I use GW, I almost always first putrefy to blackness past the brownish phase…I don’t use the salt until it has combined/putrefied/solve & coagulated to a high degree and changed. Some go easier than others and mine usually go outside in the sun in a sealed container to get to blackness. The celestial salt we want is “inside” so we build up enough “fire” to pull/initiate more. There are many salts in GW plus some organics to make it special. If you use peroxide or electrolysis to kill the organics, you get different results. I think it is good to look at salts/chemicals but it is more important to think along lines of processes (volatizing and fixing) and less about a specific chemical. Purifying was more about separating unwanted things than ending up with a specific modern day refined chemical.

Since I seem to be on the topic of “1001 things to do with GW” and this thread is about GW salt, let’s talk about the main volatile salt. Maybe it will get more people doing some things. Nick mentioned it back in some threads and someone was asking about it. So we might as well clarify how to use it for our purposes and enjoy ourselves, right? I’m looking for some friends to experiment with. You in? I hope so…

I’m sure you can figure out how to initially extract it from the phlegm after putrefaction but the key is to make it even more active in potential by repeating the putrefaction once you get the clean salt. Gently sublimate it on an icy cold surface to gather the most volatile moist hydrated large clear crystals possible. Use what you get and don’t sweat any step. They should be dry but not crispy white, more clear and hydrated like ice “almost” moist but not wet at all. Let it putrefy to a very dark black redness at ~24C (room temp for me) in an airtight container. This can take 6 months+ and the sign you are looking for is a change in smell/color. This was a year or so for this sample.



Set it up and go do something else “forgetaboutit”. Do not liquefy or sublimate and make sure the container is airtight and it is sitting in glass. I don’t push it with heat. It will go from the knock out sharp smelling salts to an almost sweet smell or hint of sweetness. There will be some sharpness but not like previous. Something new, much more subtle.

Collect and put in another airtight container to sublimate at low heat (<42C)…



The crystals will first liquefy and it can take some months but eventually pink crystals will form at the top and all the liquid will dry and be absorbed into the crystals. If they are good looking crystals geometrically and clean, they are ready.

Mine were sublimated slowly over 4 months and are very dense & heavy. The crystals are hard and easily separated from the bottom dry junk. Do that immediately before use, so they are nice and potent. I took some pics but can’t seem to find them. Looks similar to course pink Himalayan salt crystals. These crystals can be used to make a “tincture of moon”…

This pompous alchemy “explained” book has all the chemicals revealed of the tinctures:

http://books.google.com/books?id=yg0pVQtPUxcC&pg=PA18&lpg=PA18&dq=glaser+tincture+of+moon&source=bl&ots=QC6DtPR4aK&sig=
IJB5T_J8tMqXFjDMyu13WEWBuMA&hl=en&sa=X&ei=elY5UYOJCKSxyQGhxIC4BQ&ved=0CC0Q6AEwAA#v=onepage&q=glaser%20tincture%20of%20moon&f=false
(if i post as link it messes up the width, so you are going to have to put together yourself but key part is below)

This page talks about Glaser and a preparation known as tincture of moon “consisted of silver nitrate mixed with a little copper to give it a bluish tint”…really? And chemistry moved on…this book explains everything basically patronizing alchemy…as some romantic pseudoscience. As if they now know the chemical make-up of the tinctures…

Let’s follow the original method and see what happens….The one thing we are not going to do is mix silver nitrate with copper. That’s ridiculous…back to the method:

Take 1/2oz of this finely ground pink salt and 1oz of silver calx prepared as previously shown in GW1 Method thread (or your own method) and 12oz of tartarized wine spirit or any amount of those ratios per container/supplies…Start small, I’m only using 4g of salt in these experiments here. Make sure to only use pure vegetable mercury. Conjoin at the full moon or within 3 days prior. Put in mild digestion ~ 42C. Give it time “artwise” to start up and leave it alone. The 3 substances should sit there and not do much (chemically). Alchemically, we are using 2 powerful volatile spirits from the vegetable & animal kingdoms to raise, mix and open the metal...to volatize and unleash our salt.

Glaser concludes by telling you to filter and distill off the wine, to be left with a precious tincture. Maybe a blah blah blah watch for celestial colors… a hint. He was more about medicine and then on to the next.He says nothing about what else happens in the flask. So only someone who actually did the experiment would find what was there. You can’t find these treasures by thinking about it, you have to physically find them. Alchemy requires you to do the work to figure “it” out as you wash, dry, separate, repeat…and repeat…and repeat…

The solution will slowly turn into a golden color as the clear salt forms on the flask.



Now don’t swirl the salt off the inside or anything like that and let it do its thing (later, try everything). After a lunar cycle, filter the golden solution into a new flask. Collect the clear salt from the flask and put in a sealed container...separate the silver as best as possible.

Gently distill off the alcohol…You might see some surprising colors as the wine leaves the solution, it will all turn black, then green and some dark earth will fall out as it turns a more concentrated golden color:



Purple red movement could have been liberated, floating on top of the alcohol. This floating oil is really a powder that moves in any heat or sunlight and agglomerates if you break it up:


Eventually you will be left with a yellow/gold/red oil which is powerful. It is surprising how much happens during round one… nice!

Filter the oil and put into an appropriate sized sealed flask. Put it on mild heat to incubate/putrefy to a new birth. Or save to use it as is….too bad it is only a little drop but we just started.

Now?

Use this new salt & do it all over again. Good thing Einstein stuck to physics… we repeat and expect a different result! Mercurious is not so easy to coax out the first time. Weigh the salt and put it in the bottom of a new flask, put 2x fresh silver calx on top, pour the distilled dry spirit on top and do all this immediately same day, the conjunction will be at the perfect time (again). Don’t stop a process half way through, complete it until you have everything sealed and incubating…then you can stop (and wait however long you want).

This time as the process initiates, a beautiful celestial sky blue color fills the flask within the first day:



Already we see something different than the previous turn. It really stands out among the flasks and brightens the place up. We could decant and use this blue solution but better to keep going. On the 3rd day the solution fills with ethereal sparkles and changes color rapidly:



Now, it quickly turns dark golden in a few days as our salt extracts the sulfur from the metal.





After a few more days you can see a deep red throughout the liquid. If you shine a light directly on the glass, it will look dark golden and opaque or like finely powdered metallic gold in solution with a strong close light, but if you shine through the glass, it will be a clear deep red black…unlike a simple red solution, amazing to see up close.



Interested to see what you get…

Merc, very promising results (somethings telling me perhaps more than that ) , the color stages you went thru has an amazing similarity to the colors one suppose to see in the wet path .
I wouldnt be surprised if the concoction on the last photo were given more heat , could coagulate into something very surprizing...
Thanks very much for sharing