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PostSubject: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Tue Feb 24, 2009 3:15 am

THis is from page 116 from a RAMS doc called Potpourri1_original.pdf.

This is an example of the half-good OCR that is contained already in the pdf. I just highlighted the text and then pasted into a new text file:

IF NOW YOU WOULD ALSO LIKE TO SEE THE GREAT SECRET OF CREATION:

Take r rb. of fresh May dew, let it stand for 40 days and nights
to allow all impurities to settle. Then filter it and have at hand
a double glass sphere, whose parts must fit precisely in the center.
On the upper half there must be a small opening. After this, take
your pure dew, put it into the sphere and close the sphere with the
secret hermetic seal, or our secret mass. When it has hardened,
throw into the small opening of the upper half a grain of rapeseed
of the tincture prepared with the astral sperm. Screw the sphere
tight with a ground stopper and leave it undisturbed in a place that
is not too hot or too cold. The first day, the dew in the sphere
will become black and everything will be dark. The second day, open
the sphere and do not hesitate to throw in yet another grain of mustard-
seed, and the dew will become as clear as a crystal but with
some darkness appearing in the depth or at the bottom, and you will
see the World Spirit move in its light.

The third day again throw the weight of a grain of mustard-seed
into the sphere, and the World Spirit will move everything together
inside it. At last, however, the separation will take place and
push the fiery Earth to the bottom. Above this fiery Earth there will
stand a milky viscous water, and above that
a clear, crystalline blue water with golden-yellow drops of oil,
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showing that the Earth underneath has been hardened by the fire of
Nature. That fire also dwells in the Earth and attracts the upper
fire. The fact, however, that a milky viscous water stands on this
Earth is the sign that the Earth is thereby preserved, so that it
will not ignite itself and burn. It is out of this water that the
Earth draws its nourishment, and in this milk there is the food for
all creatures, and their power of multiplication, yes, it consists
of Fire, Air, Water, Earth as well as of the spiritual viscous EIements
r €rs Hermes says:
Ab Aere quosf fn utero gestatur, flutrique a terra.
(rt gestat.es in air as in a wombr nourish it with earth-HWN)
The golden-yellow oildrops on the azure-blue crystalline water
signify the sun, the moon, and the stars, which burn and sparkle
through t,he light-spirit, while the water signifies heaven.
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:07 pm

It's not a good idea to start posting lots of excerpts from the RAMS library because they will eventually contact the people who run the company that provides this message board service, and since there are so many copy right violations, it will be in violation of the message board rules, and this whole website will be deleted by them.

There are many different processes for dew in the RAMS library, and the people who want to learn others ways to work with dew should just buy the CDs. In the REUSENSTEIN pdf there is a method using distillation to make the Alkahest in 24 hours. Because it's so fast, I want to keep it secret, but I think eventually after enough people do that processes, it will become the replacement for the long digestion process of the Cappucine monk letter.

I once read something along these lines in an alchemy book:
"With distillation, we can accomplish what would otherwise take months with digestion."
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:16 pm

Nicholas you are a big book of information.


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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Tue Feb 24, 2009 6:17 pm

I'd like to point out that in this document, when he refers to rapeseed and mustard seed, he is just using them as reference for the size of the grian of the tincture which is described in another part of his book.

So this portion of the letter is useless without the instructions on how to make his tincture. And the point of putting the tincture in dew in this example is not to make an elixir -- it's to show the beauty of the whole world and how it was created.

It's a process I've only seen mentioned in one other book -- "Hyle und Coayhl" which is also in the RAMS collection. That is the same book that explains how to use the White Stone to make rainwater rise to the fullmoon, which I have seen performed myself, so I know what is written in that book is truthful, even though it's very hard to believe; especially the technique of melting all the 7 planetary metals and adding the stone to them, which is supposed to make the whole room light up with a display of the solar system and planets as balls of light.
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Wed Feb 25, 2009 10:12 am

I found this at rex research www.rexresearch.com/alchemy3/arcdivin.htm
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Wed Mar 04, 2009 12:04 am

Hi Nick,

I got the RAMS CD many months ago, and I have been reading, but thanks to you guide I can go to the books with the info I am looking for...

The only problem I am having is with the symbols... I know most of them, but some I can understand, do you think you can help me finding a good Alchemy Dictionary for the Symbols...


Thanks! sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Wed Mar 04, 2009 1:11 am

: ) theres a book in there on symbols Oscar
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Thu Mar 05, 2009 4:24 pm

Hi dejan07,

Well I know Nick is reading this messages... Let see if he wants to give us another Hint... pirat
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:48 pm

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... melting all the 7 planetary metals and adding the stone to them, which is supposed to make the whole room light up with a display of the solar system and planets as balls of light.
This really can be true. I read that when you take an hollow egg of copper put water and certain minerals in it and rotate it around its lengthwise axis, then inside the egg will form a little sun and a little moon (they are like anode and cathode) and the minerals will settle on the inner walls of the egg in the shapes of the continents !
Yes, creation is a real miracle.
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PostSubject: Symbols   Thu Mar 05, 2009 5:53 pm

can U say Google? just a few that came to the top:

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/fb/Alchemical_Symbols.jpg

http://www.alchemylab.com/dictionary.htm#top

http://tinyurl.com/agtru2

There's a BT seed at isohunt for Dictionary of occult hermetic alchemical sigils symbols.pdf. [edit] I see now this is almost TOO inclusive with so many variants you may not find it useful.

And Nick, bless his heart, may paraphrase a quotation from memory. lol!
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Thu Mar 05, 2009 7:00 pm

Thanks for the "hint" philalethes. alien
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sat Mar 07, 2009 5:36 am

The quote about distillation and dew doesn't come from any one specific place. It's just a general rule of alchemy and is "common knowledge" just like the principles of salt, fire, and mercury. Jean Dubius I never really considered to be a true alchemist.
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sat Mar 07, 2009 9:46 pm

Hi dejan07,

I keep looking and looking and I found this with the same process as the letter but with distilation...

AURIFONTINA.DOC - A TREATISE OF MERCURY - RAMS

"Much more could I say to thee, Son, concerning this first Matter, but let this suffice, that setting aside impertinences of words, we may now, Divine Grace favouring us, proceed to the practice it self of the Philosophick Stone. See therefore, my Son, that thou diligently puttest all these Matters (which though they are three things, yet are they but one only) in a Glass Vessel, and lettest them quietly putrefie: then put an Alembick upon your Vessel, and by distillation draw out all the Water, which may be thence distilled. Try this first in Maries Bath. Then place the Vessel in Ashes, and make a gentle Fire for 12 hours: then take the Matter out of the Vessel, grind it well by it self, without the foresaid Water, then put it again into the Vessel with Water, and stop the Vessel close. Put it in the Bath for three days, and then distill the Water as before in the Bath, and the Matter will be more black than before. Do thus three times over, and then grind it no more; but afterwards as often as you distill it, so oft pour Water on the top: but between each distillation give it so much Fire for six hours or more till it become indifferent dry; then pour Water on the top again, and dissolve it again in the Bath under a blind Alembick. Also in every distillation separate the Flegm, by casting away six or seven drops of Water in the beginning of each distillation. And observing this order, cause it to drink its proper Water, till it hath drank of it seven times its weight which it had at the first. But then it will be of a white colour, and so much the whiter, by how much of the more of its own Water it hath drank. This is White Elixir.
Moreover, this our Water is called Homogeneal, and by many other names. Besides, know that this Water and Matter generate as well the Red Stone, as the White: Know also, when this first Matter is brought to its compleat whiteness, then the end of one, is the beginning of the other; that is, of the Red Stone, which is our Red Magnesia, and Virgins Brass, as we said at first: Son, see thou well understand these words. Our Virgins Brass, is our Gold; Yet I do not say, that all Brass is Gold: also our Brass, is our live Brimstone; but all live Brimstone, is not our live Brimstone: also Quicksilver, is Mercury; "

I think this is the closes to what we are talking about....

Hope this helps!!!

-Oscar sunny
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:10 pm

Thank you very much for this.
Blessed collection, yes.


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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:18 pm

dejan07 wrote:
I must finally buy this *?$§%#/ collection.

I will call it, Bless Collection. Very Happy and there is another letter call "Colours to be observed in the Operation of the Great Work" it is supper great !!!

Now thanks to Nick and the Lynden letter I understand all of the RAMS Texts. sunny


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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sat Mar 07, 2009 10:29 pm

Great work Oscar.
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sun Mar 08, 2009 3:30 am

It's really surprising to see how many of the vague alchemy texts are the ones describing the alkahest from dew. Seems like almost every time the alchemist writes in symbolic language and metaphors, he is explaining the morning dew path. And when the alchemist describes other paths, they write clearly and without hidden meaning.

This keeps verifying just how important the dew path is, and as we find more and more of these documents, we get a broad perspective and total view of how morning dew really is the central process of alchemy.

We are very lucky to be blessed with this view of the alchemy literature, and actually know what we are looking at. We have so many alchemy books collected together electronically at our fingertips, with books written over the span of hundreds of years, and we have the honor of being the only ones with this special vantage point on the alchemy literature.

I'm having difficulty explaining it, by I think you guys know what I mean. Maybe someone else can explain it better.
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Sun Mar 08, 2009 7:03 pm

I think I know what you mean, Nick. I'll try to relate this in as many contexts as possible so it is more accessable.

In Alchemical terms
-Dew is the vehicle of the secret fire of the natural world. Because we have access to the primary process, we can see clearly now what areas the Alchemists where keeping hidden and why and exactly how they kept it hidden. It also enables us to better decypher the meaning of what used to be some very confusing passages.

In engineering terms
-the process is like the key stone of a Roman arch. Without it, the arch will fail. You can hold it up with all this laticework but it still can't stand on its own. Then, once the key stone is inserted, the weight is perfectly distributed between all the stone and arch will support thousands of pounds of pressure.

In terms of a wheel
-Knowing the Dew process is like standing at the hub of a wheel and being able to see all the spokes radiating out. Before this knowledge, it was like trying to determine your radial velocity on the spoke without knowing the location of the center.

In martial terms
- It's like the Bunkai (application) of a kata. You may know all the moves in sequence, but if you can't apply the technique to a combat situation, you're not learning how to fight. You're just flailing your arms and legs about in a fairly coordinated manner, and you may as well be dancing.

In chryptology terms
-The dew porcess is like the cypher for the encryption. Without it you can't understand a thing.

I don't know, maybe this helps a bit. I'm sure there are other ways of expressing it.
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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Mon Mar 09, 2009 2:29 am

Wow those explanations are very insightful! lol

I now honestly believe the dew processes was the first way to make the stone, and it was probably what the priests used in Egypt for thousands of years. But then as vague books started getting passed around, the students trying to figuring out the main starting material and universal solvent began to develop new ways of making the stone.

And I think this is even where the discovery and invention of acid production techniques started. We know that Aqua Regia was discovered when alchemists were searching for the secret solvent for gold, and then made their Aqua Regia by simply heating ammonium chloride and potassium nitrate together with iron sulfate or copper sulfate I think. Or maybe it was common table salt and ammonium nitrate from dung hills?

It's fascinating and it delights me to see it from this view -- looking back at them and thinking "oh those silly fools had no idea it was just morning dew!" but then you have to also see the beauty of their discovery. Not only did they discover acids, but most people assume their discovery of acids was in vein because they couldn't make the stone with that corrosive chemical. Oh how mistaken they are! Acids were kept secret for a long time because of the very fact YOU CAN INDEED make the the stone using acids, as we see in the Volpierre path. But the reason modern acids fail to be effective is because alchemists used natural waters, usually rain water when making their acids. And they allowed their materials to deliquesce and absorb moisture from the air, which at the same time draws in the astral fire like a magnet.

And the nitre they used, and the other salts, were all natural and still had their astral fire.

I'm 100% convinced a bottle of muriatic acid (pool acid - hydrochloric)from the hardware store and some nitre or ammonium nitrate from instant cold packs can be used on gold to make the stone, if only a little putrified and fermentede morning dew is also added and the acid is saturated with the salt extracted from the caput mortem of the dew. After the gold is dissolved, then 6 weeks of digestion with the specialized Aqua Regia, and it will go through the color changes and end as the red stone I bet.

Or maybe only antimony and iron will work for the acid path like how Volpierre did it. His path is actually a way to make the stone from iron, not from stibnite, because the stibnite is reduced to antimony both the hydrochloric acid and the iron present in the flask. Then the sulfur becomes sulfur dioxide gas, which is not allowed to leave the flask and goes back into the solution, probably just forming more sulfuric acid since that is also added with the HCl acid. So what you end up with is iron being dissolved by 3 acids --- antimony oxychloride which itself attacks metals like an acid, hydrochloric acid, and sulfuric acid.

It also seems like a constant perpetual reaction would be taking place since the sulfuric acid would attach to the antimony but then the iron and HCl acid reduce the antimony back to metal which instantly becomes attached to chlorine again, becoming antimony oxychloride, which then gives it's chlorine to the iron again through direct chlorine ion transfer, and it's then ripped of the iron by the sulfuric acid which wants to make iron sulfate again.

I don't know what the chemistry reactions would be exactly, but it seems impossible for it to ever become stable until you distill out and separate the acids. Then once they are recombined, you get the whole colorful reaction going again.

Anyway, the path of acids is just one of many examples of how new ways to the stone were found by students trying to find their way all on their own.

The acetate path is another one that was kept a secret even longer than the discovery of acids production methods. The first method to make Acetone was written down in the 13th century, but not published in the scientific community until the 18th century. That's half a millennium of silence; if that doesn't tell you the acetate path is a true path to the stone, then nothing does.


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PostSubject: Re: Anoher RAMS item on dew   Mon Mar 09, 2009 7:33 am

Thanks Nick, for this further insight on dew and how it may be the 'secret fire' or 'nitre' key to other processes including working with acids. Certainly in the Volpierre process which I am about to attempt, the text says that after each distillation that for the remaining salts after grinding "... submit for 3 weeks in a dish to the moist air, preferably in a cellar away from any light." Indeed this theme of deliquescence if not dew pervades so many alchemical processes.

Thanks again for the commentary........ Don
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