A message of all messages

we look like you, dress like you, speak your languages, walk like you,and beside you by reason of the shadow of nature you cannot see us.... it is nature itself and your love of its form that deceives you

we know your struggle, your toil, your pain, and your works in this life.....because it was we who cast you into bondage for being idle and pleasure seeking in heaven..... you indulge in our creations just like you indulge in this life which is also a creation...

we gave you what you wanted and your still not satisfied, you want to have knowledge of all things when all things were created and fashioned by us.. yet you seek to know our works without us... this is of the highest disrespect

eternal damnation is your punishment you pleasure seeking fools

you know not our labor and you will be cast down time, a time and a time again forever, because watching you is a wonder of wonders

you are the imagination of god

For God adores his own artifice

I have to be honest. I am unsure if you thought this up or its from something else, but if it is yours, then it does not seem to help anyone's progress. Merely just rubbing in our face we are useless. Many texts do indeed try and keep the art a secret, but really old texts have references to trying to reach and help those who honestly seek the truth in the art.

God will not give the path to those undeserving. Yet ones who claim to know the truth on many firms seem to turn to the path of being the judge of who is worthy of what. Not cool. But I forgive you none the less

thepassamist wrote:

I have to be honest. I am unsure if you thought this up or its from something else, but if it is yours, then it does not seem to help anyone's progress. Merely just rubbing in our face we are useless. Many texts do indeed try and keep the art a secret, but really old texts have references to trying to reach and help those who honestly seek the truth in the art.

God will not give the path to those undeserving. Yet ones who claim to know the truth on many firms seem to turn to the path of being the judge of who is worthy of what. Not cool. But I forgive you none the less

Oh trust me I didnt make this up.... but this is the first time i decided to post what gets channeled to me

the scary part is....the bible just so happens to support what im saying in its own way

Ecclesiastes 9:5 states " For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.

http://biblehub.com/niv/ecclesiastes/9.htm


all this is implying is.... I truly cannot do no such thing... my pride in believing in me helping people got in my way

for everything i have ever learned was granted to me, not discovered by some genius or discovery of some kind

and if you want my message made simple


I, nor you, nor anyone created this universe by ourselves because if we did we would be all powerful in this universe

and everything that exist has existence by a craftsmen... if you want to know anything about the way the world was made or how anything was made you must consult the craftsmen

and the craftsmen has to have some sort of reason to give it to you

so what you are saying is you have learnt nothing valuable from this forum as all truth was given to you, you cannot your fellow members, and that basically consulting with each other is useless on this forum. or anyother for that matter?

if that is the case, what is the point of adepts having young scholars. of the old temples that would freely teach paths of those willing to openly learn and accept the truth?

do not get me wrong, i and i sure many others have appreciated yours and others openly sharing information in the past. but seems to me this whole forum and all the books are just about useless if there is no knowledge to be gained except by those worthy of being given the information. books we all have read were basically the internet of the past. they were shared, and passed around by many. although in secret and in code. the information was shared. now you say that in these darkest times, it is to be hidden even more so? how can one learn the rightous path if shown only the dark ways? are these channels you received for the good of man or the good of the darkness? ones to keep us all chained?

i have never asked you nor anyone else for step by step directions. nor will i. i am one that believes the path should be learned. but teachers and guides have been in place since the beginning of time. and i am a firm believer in teaching by guiding. but to each their own. hopefully you are doing what you should be and are being directed by ones who are not against the path of man back to his higher place.

i do thank you for what you have offered in the past, and hopefully there are some information to be learned from the previous postings before you became "enlightened."  i wish no hard feelings as i speak only my mind, ignoring societies "politeness." and if i have offended you or anyone else on this forum for posting this, that sucks, but oh well. it is what it is how i feel lol.

and lets not forget the many people of history that have found the true path. for many have used that path to help others. all the ones we know and read about wrote the information down for people to eventually find. even though they continuly say to no do it, they did anyways. they all seem to have this in common. many helped the poor with gold. anonymously mostly, but still. do not forget the unimaginable wealth of information that was burned in the temple in egypt ( i think egypt) forever lost in time. yet they existed. only reason to write something is for eventually sharing the information is it not? seems to me, you are doing what many of the more recent adepts in our history have told you to do, yet opposite of what they decided to do. sorry to ramble, but this just gets to me lol. its cool though. for i feel i will get where i should get to eventually. and if it is different then i expect, then i will seek it again in another life. we may forget on the surface, but we never forget in our spirit. and urge to learn will come back to me. i feel it. always have. but i will not turn my back blindly on others in need of help. we are all one, and your gift can be just as easily taken away as it was given to you. choose wisely and now that you know the truth, you must be more careful then ever to not be deceived. i truly wish you well on your journey as i do all members here. and maybe we will share the same path someday soon.


edited cause i needed to add more

Whatever was channeling that to you sounds like a dbag. If that's god, then god is a dbag, and sdhdsf him. I have no need for gods. We are all Gods.


Personally I'm not big on the Bible. It's a book of contradictions, so you can pull pretty much anything from it and the Bible will "back it up". That's the main reason I'm not a huge fan of alchemy. A lot of the texts are open to interpretation, and everyone says they've got the right interpretation but who the sdhdsf really knows. That's why the scientific method is the only thing I trust. There is no interpretation, only a series of observations to be added to the big picture.

The bible does say the kingdom of god is within man...

radionics materialization devices exist that can materialize any reality we imagine. So who is really god?

All of this has to do with practical alchemy how? This should be moved to a different thread/section.

cocojambo wrote:

Whatever was channeling that to you sounds like a dbag. If that's god, then god is a dbag, and sdhdsf him. I have no need for gods. We are all Gods.


Personally I'm not big on the Bible. It's a book of contradictions, so you can pull pretty much anything from it and the Bible will "back it up". That's the main reason I'm not a huge fan of alchemy. A lot of the texts are open to interpretation, and everyone says they've got the right interpretation but who the sdhdsf really knows. That's why the scientific method is the only thing I trust. There is no interpretation, only a series of observations to be added to the big picture.

The bible does say the kingdom of god is within man...

radionics materialization devices exist that can materialize any reality we imagine. So who is really god?

i have to say there are many truths in the bible. it is wrote to be taken many ways though, as can be see all the different forms of christianity in todays world. the first few versus in genesis alone state alot of information. but i do feel that our bookshelf versions have been "translated" and changed over time. even if just slighty.

they sell them radionic materialization devices at walmart? cause that would be neat. put my arse on the beach smelling the wind of the ocean, kicking back, and thanking the universe for creating such a beauty. or the reptiles for creating this matrix based off what we want but still keeping us trapped. ( i just joking with you about the device, i have never heard of what you are talking about though)

and this is why i dont post this

once you know that your just as immortal as them... i.e. equals


yes they (super large in number) are gigantic dicks who do whatever the hell they want

technically speaking everything that everybody has learned comes from a world they crafted in their eyes


and the worst part is i tell you guys the whole truth and if you dont believe me thats on you


if you want to make the stone easily.... instead of using acids... use lyes and that way fumes dont explode and you can cook anything and break it on down and neutralize it with vinegar and finish the damn thing

which is what im doing right now....... so go ahead and make your gold and get your long lives


you want to use sea salt... make a solution just like nicks with dew and all... and use lye

lye is the secret celestial salt that does all the work

it washes, it cleans, it purifies and breaks everything down easily... and as long as there is water your flask wont melt

thats what is has to do with practical alchemy

im sorry its upsetting but see  

people on this forum have taught me much things and brought me great wisdom... especially lux at this point


this guy showed me some fsdafpsduf that changed my life...so i have no reason to use hermetic tradition anymore out of fear

nitre = natron NA SODIUM, i.e. soda ash which does absorb moisture out the atmopshere and makes a super saturated solution of all kinds of stuff in the air... or you ferment it and use the stuff and add it to lye and cook it to completion


no arsenic, no metals, no nothing


nature will do all the work for you.. to make it go fast it just has to oxidize faster ( try making it cold and adding hydrogen peroxide)  and it will go white much much faster

so do what you gotta do

SunWukong wrote:

if you want to make the stone easily....  instead of using acids... use lyes and that way fumes dont explode and you can cook anything and break it on down and neutralize it with vinegar and finish the damn thing

When you say "instead" it seems like we're supposed to already know a way to make a stone with acids... I'm not even familiar with any methods utilizing acids to make the stone. In my eyes, a proper technique for making the stone allows multiplication of the resulting stone when the process is repeated. If the same process cannot multiply it, it is not a valid path. I'm not saying using acids is impossible, but I've yet to see one.

SunWukong wrote:

which is what im doing right now....... so go ahead and make your gold and get your long lives

I see no way to make  with what I see at the moment...

SunWukong wrote:

you want to use sea salt... make a solution just like nicks with dew and all...  and use lye

lye is the secret celestial salt that does all the work

it washes, it cleans, it purifies and breaks everything down easily... and as long as there is water your flask wont melt

thats what is has to do with practical alchemy

Originally you suggested that the Actum Leyden only required dew and sea salt with earths mixed in and you suggested that was the key, so I'm uncertain why are you now saying it requires lye? Would the original method with sea salt and dew have failed then?


So mix something with lye (Is lye NaOH or KOH?), heat and it will go through the color changes, is that what you are saying?

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nitre = natron NA SODIUM, i.e. soda ash which does absorb moisture out the atmopshere and makes a super saturated solution of all kinds of stuff in the air... or you ferment it and use the stuff and add it to lye and cook it to completion


no arsenic, no metals, no nothing


nature will do all the work for you.. to make it go fast it just has to oxidize faster ( try making it cold and adding hydrogen peroxide) and it will go white much much faster

Been heating my sea salt for 3 months now at 230f, still solid.

it has to be alkaline to melt

sea salt is sodium chloride


nitre which is soda ash is alkaline

lye is also alkaline

NaOH and KOH are both alkaline


the thing is alkalies make all things resist flight from fire... so it makes things resist fire like a stone

as long as your solution is more alkaline this avoids the greatest problem with the work

THE SUPER SPECIAL SPIRIT WONT JUST FLY AWAY BUT ITS BOUND IN CHAINS

im telling you this SOLVES A GREAT DEAL OF ISSUES to the point where you can get substances to turn black in an open pot

this salt by itself hermetically seals all things, it boils, it washes, it cleanse, it does all things, it makes truly a firer water

the saddest part about me saying this is that a long time ago when i wrote that post about the salt of nature

it was sodium and potassium silicate

which if you read aphorisms of the universal salt..... it says

"The Liquore nitre and silicus shows a visible increase in metals" which is an alkaine solution that issac newton showed and i will show you an example of this increase in metals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SCNwrkKAUYg


sooooooo.......... i dunno what to say after this.... you all got the secret

when you melt lye it makes a water, that resist fire like a stone, that comes from the air (coagulated by the stars which modern science will show you) and is also earth when coagulated (you ever try to melt sodium sulfate  )

so bingo

the secret of all the alchemist of all time that no philosopher ever revealed ever.... of all time....

NONE ever said it so bluntly

so i mean if im going to get the usual sh!t on a silver platter from you guys, so be it

the kicker is... ive still YET to say anything THAT ISNT ALREADY WRITTEN IN THESE BOOKS as i quoted another book here

so what does this really reveal?

it only reveals yourselves

so let me make this clear.....

ive bled over this, i lost my mind over this, i lost my memory over this for 3 years, i lost my health over this, poisoned over this, i have plenty of scars over this, ive lost 4 years of my life over this, i lost the love of my life over this and i damn near lost my soul over this ( i got possessed)

so please excuse me for my attitudes ive had, excuse me for all the things ive said, lashed out about, excuse me for my beliefs that stopped you guys from getting what you wanted, excuse me for the life i have lived that made me act the ways i have acted, there was no way to truly articulate this in the past as i was in a truly fucked up state that only my mom and my brother ever saw at its height


and dont feel bad because none of you ever knew anyways so this aint no playing victim, and this is not anything else

just know i paid in full in your place... I dedicated so much time, effort, resources, and relationships to this....I questioned who i was, my life, and my sanity FOR ZERO DOLLARS and i was only officially diagnosed as bipolar AFTER DOING THIS WORK AND DRINKING SO MANY POISONS

yes i f-cked myself up over this and then i got all the sh!t from most of you guys on top of it all, when i literally gave a recipe to make the white stone on my first post here

and whether your wise or a fool in this life death can come as easily to me as it can come to you

I have done nothing but do my best to explain the works of nature absolutely free... which is the true belief of what true wise and gracious men in hermetic philosophy tried to do to the best of their ability...

at the end of the day

wisdom is just a term, some dude came up with a long time ago...

I am not wise, im not a sage, im merely just Jay a 25 year old kid/adult from Hawthrone, CA

im not apart of some magical secret order or society, i did this work all alone from beginning to end....

i am no longer offended by anything any of you can say to me at this point.... none of you can do damage to me with your words like this work has done to my life

hermetic philosophy has taken going on 7 years of my life... i was 18 when i found out about it

Do you regret your journey and the final result?

I feel very indifferent about my life

no love

no hate

you will never know unless you search like i have, how meaningless my life is.. the fact i have no desire to kill myself right now proves im no longer bipolar

im telling you with a straight face.... my birth is only worth as i say it is... other than that my entire life is truly worthless except what worth i put into it

I can only reason that i was born here out of love for my people and no other thing

my work was a labor of love but majority of the closest people dont even listen to me

its the burn of all burns one can suffer in this life.....

the bottom line is we live in a world (or country) that people just dont love each other anymore......this place is truly the kingdom of nightmares..... its people who even have it worse than me on the outside

but for me ive lived out my truest nightmares that are specific to myself....

SunWukong wrote:

the bottom line is we live in a world (or country) that people just dont love each other anymore......this place is truly the kingdom of nightmares..... its people who even have it worse than me on the outside.

Agreed. But everything changes. The world will have enough and change itself. Its a cycle. A cleansing. And its near. When it is done, many will know the truth i believe. Mark my words, the world is waking up and changing. But the hold on us is strong and adapted. Its comes down to our will i think. Hopefully there is enough of us to fight the bonds.

thepassamist wrote:

SunWukong wrote:

the bottom line is we live in a world (or country) that people just dont love each other anymore......this place is truly the kingdom of nightmares..... its people who even have it worse than me on the outside.

Agreed. But everything changes. The world will have enough and change itself. Its a cycle. A cleansing. And its near. When it is done, many will know the truth i believe. Mark my words, the world is waking up and changing. But the hold on us is strong and adapted. Its comes down to our will i think. Hopefully there is enough of us to fight the bonds.

this world isnt anything what people think it is......

Could you pick a movie closest to what it is? Or is there one at all ?

there isnt a movie but im not going to say what it is publicly there are somethings people really dont want to find out lets just leave it at that

honestly your searching for the stone and understanding herbs and what not

all ashes are alkalis


therefore all things elixir can be made

if brought to an ash

On a side note, have you experimented with everburning torches?

SunWukong wrote:

you want to use sea salt... make a solution just like nicks with dew and all...  and use lye

lye is the secret celestial salt that does all the work

it washes, it cleans, it purifies and breaks everything down easily... and as long as there is water your flask wont melt

thats what is has to do with practical alchemy

so we are basically making a form of *monatomic elements are NOT to be discussed on this forum!?

thepassamist wrote:

SunWukong wrote:

you want to use sea salt... make a solution just like nicks with dew and all...  and use lye

lye is the secret celestial salt that does all the work

it washes, it cleans, it purifies and breaks everything down easily... and as long as there is water your flask wont melt

thats what is has to do with practical alchemy

so we are basically making a form of *monatomic elements are NOT to be discussed on this forum!?

omg really?  

*monatomic elements are NOT to be discussed on this forum! uses a ph swing technique

the whole idea that nitre of anykind is anygood comes from several alchemical books... now if that reminds you of *monatomic elements are NOT to be discussed on this forum! then maybe they are on to something because at least that have grown gigantic plants and fruit

what has anybody else grown? what if it helps grow metals in it too?

dont be so quick to dismiss what anybody says or you will miss out on knowledge

and mind you I quoted "Liquor nitre and silicus" shows a visible increase in metals

i am not meaning it is exactly the same, but making *monatomic elements are NOT to be discussed on this forum! is similiar from what i understand of *monatomic elements are NOT to be discussed on this forum! (not made any). salt. water. lye to reach certain ph, and vinegar to bring it down if gets to high. thats what i was meaning. and there must be some connection in the practice of doing it though.

Thank you Jay. I appreciate your sincere desire to help.

I summarized and organized the points you gave in this discussion below:

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1- "Lye"

Use lye instead of acids. Lye will break things down.
Neutralize the cooked mixture with vinegar.
It is done

THE SPIRIT WONT JUST FLY AWAY BUT ITS BOUND IN CHAINS

Lye hermetically seals all things, it boils, it washes, it cleanse, it does all things, it makes truly a firer water

Lye is what we make when we calcine anything, from GW to sea salt.



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2-  "sea salt"

2.1 -Mix lye and dew, and digest like the wet/long lyeden process.  
OR
2.2 -Seal and digest lye until it liquefies.
Or
2.3 - Mix lye to sea salt and digest?




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3- "Natron"

3.1- The dragon is not potassium nitrate!  Niter and Saltpeter are "Natron" i.e. sodium carbonate i.e. soda ash (no nitrogen here!) which the Egyptians used in mummification.

3.2 - Just like Potassium carbonate will deliquesce making Oil of tartar per deliquim, then angel water which we use with plant work, so will Sodium carbonate.

3.3 - Let Natron deliquesce, let it putrefy, then add it to lye and cook "nature will do all the work for you", it turns white.

3.4 - To make it go fast: The oil of natron has to "oxidize" faster, make it cold by adding hydrogen peroxide. it turns white.


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4- "seal and digest to liquefaction"

4.1 - sealing natron (commercial sodium carbonate/not harvested as natron from nature) at 230f and digesting will liquefy it?

4.2 - sealing lye (commercial NaOH and KOH/not natural-made) at 23of and digesting will liquefy it?




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5- salt of nature (discussed in another post)

Salt of nature is sodium silicate and/or potassium silicate. Talked about in "aphorisms of the universal salt" book 1 in compendium 1

metals "seem" to grow in a silica solution causing the magic rock garden effect.  

In the previous discussion on silica it was mentioned to make a hepar of sulfur and silica solution. and add nitrogen (or any nitrogen group element), Silica, carbon or oxygen coagulate the N group elements. if my memory is correct.





Many thanks

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