Glauber's "The Salt of Art"

Schmeldvich wrote:

Why do you feel you need to collect more information before you begin the Work?

I have done my work before more than a year, but this I was doing here, only for others. And these both things I have told you more than 10 times, anyways good luck with your wrong work, Dragon with Uriine.

Traveller wrote:

I have done my work before more than a year

Were you successful?

Schmeldvich wrote:

Were you successful?

Yes but with the right matter, and not like yours, which I named above.

Traveller wrote:

Schmeldvich wrote:

Were you successful?

Yes but with the right matter, and not like yours

Oh.

Did you make the Philosopher's Stone?

Why do you need to gather more information if you were already successful?

Were you able to accomplish anything with your success?

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Traveller wrote:

My works are of a serious Alchemist, which don’t need anyone clarification, and which are not like the guys who try to replicate the works of the philosophers without any theory and upload pictures of their stupid works on the forums.

Tell me, why more of the books of the philosophers written only on theory, it was RAMs who collected only the books which were based on practical, but the RAMs missed a very important keys which only the theorical books can give to the students. Like the one of Mary Prophetessa, do you find this in RAMs. You behave and sound like a modern day person, who is well developed in modern sciences and trying to find the Art of the Ancients, you are only a joke for all of us, and I mistakenly mentioned about you, that you are a lesson. And these words fits beautifully to express you "troll, the abundant obnoxious cockroach of the internet and forums". So here is a lesson for you, that when you will realize that Alchemy is only a theorical and philosophical aspect, then you will start entering in Alchemy, I myself studied Alchemy more than ten years without doing anything else, and then I found Alchemy after 15 years of my long search in all the books of the philosophers when I realized that how to take it into practice, which when I started, then it was nothing, but only which philosophers mentioned in their books as childs play or womans work, or just solve et coagula.

The conclusion of your story is only this, that put any stupid thing in the flask and start dominating the World. Anyways our practical buddy, keep us update about your work, we all would like to see your happening things inside the flask. Where we have much fun, as we all have realized from the very start that you don’t know about the prima materia, then in this case, we have to see that a person how much fool himself.

I am thoroughly intrigued with your interest in me and level of energy you put into thinking about me. Honored, in a way.

But you didn't answer my questions...

Did you make the Philosopher's Stone?

Why do you need to gather more information if you were already successful?

Were you able to accomplish anything with your success?

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Traveller wrote:

...Now I get your purpose that what you want to do, and why you drag here the tAlchemist or pAlchemist from your site, that you need to elicit a fruitful discussion, as I was exactly doing here. And you are not in a position to ask questions, because you are the person who don’t know about the prima materia and already started the Great Work, and about your work you were confessed to Hellin Hermetist that you have begun the work.

I did not drag anybody here. As you already know, your friend alexbr invited us here.

Traveller wrote:

So as you were said, that I didn’t performed the works of Glauber, but tell me, can't you see, that we are here only discussing the writings of Glauber and nothing else, so as you entered in my work, then I want to enter in your work, now tell me as I was already asked you at the very start…

Why more than 90% of the crust is composed of Silicate Minerals ?

Do we use Silica as a Prima Materia ?

I have answered both these questions already, but if you would like me to answer them again, I can.

I do not know why more than 90% of the crust of composed of silicate minerals.

We do not use pure silica as our prima materia.

Traveller wrote:

And you cannot refuse to give the answer of both of these questions because philosophers clearly told us in their writings, that their Mercury is the sperm of the whole minerals kingdom, so it means that according to the above asked questions “Silica” must have a connection to the Prima Materia. Tell me the answer right now, and then you can perform your other works, because I have also omitted the discussions of Glauber because of your stupid Work.

I have given you the answer before, but I answered again. See above.

Traveller wrote:

If you don’t have the answer of any of my asked questions about the prima materia, then how you have already begun your work ???

Our opinions differ regarding our prima materia it seems.




Traveller, you sure are intimidated to answer any questions, yet have no problem asking me questions. Your infatuation with me is quite odd.

Traveller wrote:

I have done my work before more than a year.

Did you make the Philosopher's Stone?

Why do you need to gather more information if you were already successful?

Were you able to accomplish anything with your success...?

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What does "P" Alchemist mean? You don't know what the "t" in my name is for.

Alexbr shared us a link to this site. He was telling us this site was back up and so I came to check it out. My first post was directed to you in your post of Glauber because this discussion seemed interesting.

I think you got a big ego and you're afraid of appearing wrong in front of people, so to me it looks like your only chance of growth is to witness failure in your flask... then you'll have no choice but to look onto a new method.

Traveller wrote:

...I also already given you the answers which questions you are asking me again, that I have prepared my Mercury according to the step by step details which I shared with you, and now I am expanding my knowledge, that how many things I can do with this Etheoter of the Philosophers.

Can you describe the properties of your mercury?

Are you able to dissolve gold in your mercury like ice in hot water?

What are you able to do with your mercury?

Traveller wrote:

And I also told you that you are not in a position to ask questions, because you even don’t know that how to start the Alchemy with a Prima Materia, and you and your intelligent partner, who says that he seldom read any alchemy book now, you were continuously arguing against our fruitful discussion about the writings of Glauber. And called me a puffer, now tell me, what you are ? I am surprised that you even don’t know about the First Matter, and post a huge set of words as you know everything.

How can I call you a beginner, and about your pAlchemist, he don’t understand that what Mary Prophetessa is saying in her short treatise, or how he will understand, because he would be a “P” Alchemist, because he has come from your site, and I am sure about it. That he prefer a lavatory path like you.

But you don’t know that what we are doing here, that as you know even Glauber was worked on Uriine, but we were discussing and reaching on this fact that is there any possibility that the same work can be perform without using this disgusting thing. And if you and your pAlchemist have a problem with our discussion, then what is the purpose to make Alchemy forums, except of sharing the theories of useless works where Axis like alchemists share the informations that how to make Vinegar and use it for a wrong purpose to make acetates, and You and JDP like alchemists go to advise him that we don’t use common vinegar in Alchemy, now tell me, as you all the 3 were giving the statements from the books of the philosophers, then don’t you remember, that philosophers literally used common commercial Vinegar (Pyroligneous Acid) for preparing their matter, where they used the words of “Water of the Woods”, like our hollandus, and ripley and basilius, and dunstan and many others. Philosophers didn’t use common vinegar as Axis was using it, but both of your statements that philosophers never used common vinegar are also wrong.

So my friend first JDP, you and Axis should to read carefully the books of the philosophers, and then come onto the forums to discuss that whether your thoughts match with each other or not, and are all of you on the same tract or not.

I am a Seeker, nothing more.

In your opinion, what qualifies an individual to be worthy to ask questions?

tAlchemist wrote:

I think you got a big ego and you're afraid of appearing wrong in front of people

I too assume this is why Traveller erases all his posts.

Hi dear friend Traveler, I recommend and advice you not accepting useless controversies and stop answer all this controversies

and here instead of continuing the work that was all done by doing glaubers and also developing this study and analyzing the SILICATE as one of the TRUE PRIME MATERIALS
(SILICATE argument you well know)

so do not answer the controversy and do not care about them

and instead we continue with the glauber and further explore SILICATE
as ONE OF THE PRIME MATERIALS
and on this we deepen the reason why and the profound reason for that and because the RC and the ancient alchemists were identified as SILICATE as one of the raw materials

and therefore traveler

to your questions ? on SILICATE

Certainly YES the earth's crust is silicate 90

and YES is certainly the source of silicate as undoubtedly indicate the sperm RC of all metals

and to this I also add that glauber also indicates silicates IN HIS WRITES Glauber says ......oil of sand/flints can be used inwardly as well as bettering minerals.

and NB SILICATE as I have already mentioned in the manuscripts and RC texts: Thesaurus Thesaurorum, The Toeltius Coelum Reseratum Chymicum, the 3 parts attributed to the Golden Chain of Homer, the Zoroaster etc
 
silicate in these very important RC texts is undoubtedly indicated by precise RC operating instructions on the silicates and with the substances contained in large quantity it SILICATE sands, clay, quartz, earth silicate. Flint. etc etc and by which is extracted a solvent phyl and the stone and elixir can be produced can see about it the private letters write by robert boyle and the operative test which robert boyle made refers on this in file RAMS digital library
and silicate and the matter rich of it is in fact undoubtedly for the ancient alchemists and RC
one of the raw materials listed in their RC WRITTEN INTERNAL

my best regard alexbr  

ps
- (yes I certainly said that in various environments the forum was again accessible and open and I am very happy that new people come here to this forum and that many people adhere to its principles of clarity on alchemy without unnecessary secrets as it wished (with its lights and shadows but the light was overwhelming and shining in its desire to give alchemy to everyone) and therefore from that (which I totally share) I keep very much that this forum grows and new contributions are made but to contribute researching and studying and experimenting and not hindering and or just polemize unnecessarily but simply ignore the controversy and not respond to these) -
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hi caro amico Traveller io ti consiglio di non accettare polemiche inutili e dunque di non rispondergli

e invece qui di continuare il lavoro che si stava tutti asieme facendo su glauber e anche sviluppiano lìapprofondimento e l'analisi sul il SILICATE come una delle TRUE PRIME MATERIE
(SILICATE argomento che tu ben conosci )

dunque non rispondere alle polemiche e non ti curare di esse

e noi invece continuiamo col glauber e inoltre approfondiamo su SILICATE  
come UNA DELLE MATERIE PRIME
e su cio approfondiamo del perche e del profondo motivo di cio e del perche dai RC e dagli antichi alchimisti veniva identificato IL SILICATE e le materie ricche di SILICATE come sabbie,argille, quarzi, terre silicate, Flint etc etc come una delle materia prima

e dunque traveller

alle domande tue ? poste su SILICATE

SI certo la crosta terrestre è al 90 silicato

e SI certo il silicate è all'origine come indicano indubbiamente i RC dello sperma di tutti i metalli

e a cio inoltre aggiungo che anche glauber indica li silicate NEI SUOI SCRITTI Glauber says.... oil of sand/flints can be used inwardly as well as bettering minerals.

e NB SILICATE come ho gia detto il nei e testi manoscritti RC es :  Thesaurus Thesaurorum,, The Toeltius Coelum Reseratum Chymicum, the 3 parts attributed to the Golden Chain of Homer, the Zoroaster etc

il silicate in questi importantissimi testi RC etc è indubbiamente indicato con precise istruzioni operative dei RC il lavoro sui silicate e com materie contenenti IL SILICATE argille quarzi terre silicate Flint etc etc da cui si estrae un solvente phil e si puo produrre la pietra ed elixir esempio di cio si vedano le lettere private scritte da robert boyle e il testo  operativo a cui robert boyle si riferisce in file RAMS digital library
e il silicate è infatti indubbiamente per gli antichi alchimisti e i RC
una delle materie prime indicate NEI LORO SCRITTI RC INTERNI

my best regard alexbr

ps
-(si certo io ho detto che in vari ambienti che il forum era di nuovo accessibile e aperto e sono molto felice che nuova gente arrivi qui a questo forum e che molti aderiscano ai suoi principi di chiarezza sull'alchimia senza inutili segreti come voleva nik ( nik con le sue luci e ombre ma la luce era preponderante e splendente nel suo voler dare l'alchimia a tutti ) e dunque da cio (che condivido totalmente ) io ci tengo molto che questo forum cresca e ben vengano nuovi contributi ma per contribuire alla ricerca e approfondire studiare e sperimentare e non per ostacolare e o solo polemizzare inutilmente ma semplicemente basta ignorare le polemiche e non rispondere a queste )-

Alexbr why do you invite people here if you hate questions?

The way i see it is that to you, controversial is anything that challenges your way of thinking, and anyone who asks questions.

Traveller said he wants to "explore the mysteries of Glauber" but he discards everything people say that's not in conjunction with his own opinion. It seems to me he isn't here to explore the nature of the art, but rather to profess himself as a Teacher all the while being lost in this puzzle.

Maybe he should have named this post "My opinion on Glauber's Salt of art".

If it makes you feel any better this will be my last reply to this post since dancing in circles is annoying.

Hi tAlchimist as first thing very welcome and welcome all your questions in a good dedicate thread

so tAlchimist I only i answer always only to me and to my group for me
and I do not answer for others person i am not maired wiht any ( is a slang italian i answer means to me and my group) so clarify that go in at the post

we enter the terms of the questions that are always welcome for me

I absolutely do not hate at all the questions in the serious and in-depth comparison, indeed I hope and the incentive if it is constructive and for me, they are fine and are very good and very good all the serious and in-depth comparisons of opinions also divergent but if opposed the opinions they must always construct this if reading my posts has always been my line of conduct and the serious and in-depth confrono for me is implent but unfortunately that is rare

and unfortunately I have seen hard collisions and many preconceptions of starting with the poor traveler in many forums

and since some of the things that now say travelers are for now interesting (nb some and for the time I thought of topic in opinion opinion I did not marry anyone and if even a friend of mine affirm things that I do not share would disagree with no problems) and therefore on glaubers and deep analized on SILICATE AS ONE OF THE PRIME MATERIALS RC ETC I would like to continue to feel the Traveler's knowledge and opinions but they are fine and for me they are always welcome constructive questions about everything
maybe whether or not the stone travel or its successes we always open here other tread

and I have spoken in various environments that this forum is open and again acessible because many did not know it and I'm glad that many new ones contribute to it on the fundamental principles and rules that nik impose of non-alchemic secrecy (months were the forum was inacessibile and welcome new and welcome this forum on the principles of non-secrecy that were nik develop and amplify) because I also stop believing in the principles of nik's opening and non-secret alchemic philosophy and myself and my agape prometeo group as I have always said in our post etc) on these non-secret bases (and I like it or do not like it I just do not care) has always been (over 30 years) working with translation and publication of true and traditional manuscript operative rc
and therefore well come up with the questions maybe opening thread as well as light now but not the controversial useless

my best regard

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Hi talchimist come prima cosa molto benvenuto e benvenute tutte le tue domande in apposito thread

dunque talchimist io rispondo solo per me e per il mio gruppo per me
e non rispondo per altri chiarito cio ( io non sono sposato con nessuno questo è un detto italiano che significa io rispondo solo per me e il mio gruppo )

entriamo nei termini delle domande che sono per me sempre benveute sempre

io assolutamente non odio per nulla ne domande ne il serio e approfondito confronto anzi lo auspico e lo incentivo se è costruttivo e per me vanno bene e sono aspicabili e ottimi tutti i confrontoi seri e approfonditi anche di opininioni anche divergenti ma anche se opposte le opinioni devono sempre costruttive questo se leggi i mie post è sempre stata la mia linea di condotta e il confronto serio e approfondito per me è impportante ma purtroppo cio è raro

e purtroppo ho gia visto scontri duri e molti preconcetti di partenza col povero traveller in molti forum

e siccome alcune delle cose che per ora dice traveller sono per ora interessanti ( nb alcune e per ora io valuto di argomento in argomento di opinione a opinione non ho sposato nessuno e se anche un mio amico affermasse cose che non condivido mi dissocerei senza problema )e dunque su glauber e approfondita analisi su SILICATE COME UNA DELLE MATERIE PRIME RC ETC vorrei continuare a sentirle le conoscenze e opinioni di Traveller ma ben vengano e per me sono sono sempre benvenute le domande costruttive su tutto
magari su se ha fatto o no la pietra travel o sui suoi successi apriamo sempre qui altri tread

e io ho parlato in  vari ambienti che questo forum è aperto e di nuovo acessibile perche molti non lo sapevano e sono ben contento che molti nuovi contribuiscano ad esso sui principi e regole fondamentali che nik impose di non segretezza alchemica (erano mesi che il forum era inacessabile e benvengano nuovi e benvenga che questo forum sui principi di non segretezza che erano di nik si sviluppi e amplii  ) perche io pure fermamete credo nei pricipi della filosofia di nik di apertura e di non segreto alchemico e io e il mio gruppo agape prometeo (come ho sempre detto nei nostri post etc)su queste basi di non segreto   ( e che piacciono o non piacciano poco mi ci importa) da sempre (piu di 30 anni)agiamo con traduzione e pubblicazione di veri e tradizonali operativi manoscritti rc  
e dunque ben vengano tute le domande magari aprendo thread apposito come ora faro ma non le polemiche inutili

my best regard

i have put one dedicate thread

TRAVELLER ALCHEMY ? answer always polemic NO

so here all can ask waht we want to treveller and if want traveller can answer to you on him result or non with stone if he have made stone etc etc

but please here in this thread only alchemy of grauber and analized deep on SILACATE as one of the PRIME MATTERS indicate by RC and old alchimist

thaks

alexbr wrote:

but please here alchemy of grauber and analized deep on SILACATE as one of the PRIME MATTERS indicate by RC and old alchimist

Are you using 100% silica as your prima materia?

If so, have you been able to get it to Putrefy?

in past yes i also use the SILCATE ( in future yes) now i have with my group many work in activity in many process with some maters of the 3 kingdoms to try made stone
and in future one of this matter that we try are sure SILICATE because it is one very important matter indicate by rc in they test and manuscript es ( as i have just say ) Thesaurus Thesaurorum,, The Toeltius Coelum Reseratum Chymicum, the 3 parts attributed to the Golden Chain of Homer, the Zoroaster etc
in these test there are many chapter and instruction on SILCATE as one of the PRIME MATTERS of the RC ...

nb all matters as say if you have a correct solvent philosophical go in putrefation

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but as i have say i not answer in this thread  

so here stop please
here welcome all the question but in topic not out topic

here in this is only on traveller explcation of him vision of writers of glauber alchemy and him traveller deep and explcation of him vision on SILICATE AS ONE OF THE FIRST MATTERS
and why the SILICATE are indicate as one of the prime matters by te RC and old alchemist in they old write test an manuscript

so i here sorry but a not answer more out topic

thanks

alexbr wrote:

in past yes i also use the SILCATE ( in future yes) now i have with my group many work in activity in many process with some maters of the 3 kingdoms to try made stone
and in future one of this matter that we try are sure SILICATE because it is one very important matter indicate by rc in they test and manuscript es ( as i have just say ) Thesaurus Thesaurorum,, The Toeltius Coelum Reseratum Chymicum, the 3 parts attributed to the Golden Chain of Homer, the Zoroaster etc
in these test there are many chapter and instruction on SILCATE as one of the PRIME MATTERS of the RC ...

nb all matters as say if you have a correct solvent philosophical go in putrefation

So you have gotten your pure silica to Putrefy? I am not sure I am understanding you correctly.

Do you mix anything else with silica, or do you work with silica alone throughout your entire work? If you are working with other things beside silica, what else are you working with?

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this tread is on vision on glauber alchemy trevellet and treveller deep why SILICATE can are first matters in they test and mauscript rc

so this is not my thread on my experience but is about experience of traveller not my so ask him about glauber alchemy and SILICATE as one prime materie indicate by rc and phat with SILICATE etc not to my  
so sorry but i not answer more here about my expericence this thread is about vision and experience on glauber and SILICATE of traveller not my

So before start to explication traveller the him expreriece of silicate and why after when all is start well and deep as before of the all the useless controversy and after finsh it and thread of traveller work well i answer

so i not answer because now here is out topic i sorry

alexbr wrote:

last replay
this tread is on vision on glauber alchemy trevellet and treveller deep why SILICATE can are first matters in they test and mauscript rc

so this is not my thread on my experience but is about experience of treveller not my so sorry but i not answer more here
here is out topic i sorry

Going to the first page of this thread all I can see is "over.", "over.", "over.", "over.", "over.", "over.", so it is extraordinarily hard to tell what this thread was originally about being that OP deleted his original post as he is so keen to do.

Do you believe the Matter that Glauber was referring to in his texts is silica...?

In your work, are you working with pure silica only now that Traveller has made this revelation known, or are you mixing other substances in your flask?

Can you post some examples in Glauber's text where he is talking explicitly about silica?

post cancel sure me too i am not happy for over over

and as i have say the cancel of all post it is a big lost imho for many forum imho and alway i have say to treveller put still all post in all forum this is the clear my position about clear

now i know the SILICATE phat by 30 years ago in the reserch on in test and manuscript RC and in theThesauro thesaurorum extasi secret of federico gualdi and the toeltius and the attribuite 3 part of chain aurea homero all test our that i and my group we have give to public our translation at the edition sescheta and in these all test 30 years ago we found instruction of silicate

but nb there are sa say rc in they test many many different natter in the 3 kingdoms to made the stone one of this different matters is SILICATE but is only one of different matter is not only SILICATE the matter is only one of many indicate by RC only one
clear

process sorry but i not answer now here

here its is the thread of traveller on him vision and experience of glauber alchemy and him vision and experience why SILICATE and why are indicate as one of the PRIME MATTERS it by the old alchemist

alexbr wrote:

here its is the thread of traveller on him vision and experience of glauber alchemy  and why SILICATE and why are indicate it by the old alchemist

This thread is titled "Glauber's "The Salt of Art". One would assume in this thread we talk about Glauber's Salt of Art and discuss the topic, no? He can babble all his wants in this thread, but this is not "Traveller's Preaching Ground".

alexbr wrote:

...now i know the SILICATE phat by 30 years ago in the reserch on in test and manuscript RC and in theThesauro thesaurorum extasi secret of federico gualdi and the toeltius and the attribuite 3 part of chain aurea homero all test our that i and my group we have give to public our translation at the edition sescheta and in these all test 30 years ago we found instruction of silicate

but nb there are sa say rc in they test many many different natter in  the 3 kingdoms to made the stone one of this different matters is SILICATE buut is only one of different matter is not only SILICATE the matter is only one of many indicate by RC only one
clear process i not answer now here

Ok, I understand that you have been working with silica for 30 years.

In that time, what have you been able to accomplish with silica?

sorry i not answer
but one clarification nb i say i work on SILICATE 30 years ago and it is only one of many many different matters as give thesauro thesaurorum and extasi secret of federico gualdi in according a vision of RC that we and my gruop agape prometeo we work 30 ago (and work on silicate we made for some no large time) and it it is only one of the different matter in the 3 kingdoms and the silicate we work for not large time

more not i sorry but not want now here answer

all question on SILICATE PHAT etc in topic with this thread made to traveller

...Why are you afraid to answer?  



(It takes less energy to answer the question than it does to type a 45+ word response about why you are not going to answer)

lol lol lol read all my post (that you know very well ) and see i never afraid to answer NEWER WE SPEAK OPEN AND OUT ANY SECRET ON ALL AND IF ONE IS AGREE OR NOT WHIT THIS OUR PRECISE CHOICE IS NOT OUR PROBLEM SO NEWER WE AFRAID TO ANSWER NEWER lol lol lol
and our public history AGAPE PROMETEO GROUP is a testimony so i lol lol lol  

is only in imho this your question here now to me is in imho out topic so sorry not answer

ask question on SILCATE PHAT and all question on topic to traveller