GW Method 3

I see, thank you, i will look for. And... the red blood of the salamander comes from the distillation of niter using some matter like sand or some bolus to easy it.

Anyway: did anybody realize the GW path using transparent crystals?
Or the red colour is the must?
I'm making the kiln right now with the new suggestion of Ramen. And I'll tell you.

Zosimo

Hey Zosimo,

you want me to do some nice distillation of niter to make some nitric acid. Should be considered if the red color of the crystals comes from the niter in the GW. If so then it is dependant of the food you eat. Much meat much niter, little meat less niter.

The next step I will try is to imbibe my "brown" crystals 7 times and dry them afterwards with either the filtered surplus after crystallization or the spirit that was distilled from the putrif. GW.

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Anyway: did anybody realize the GW path using transparent crystals?
Or the red colour is the must?

It's possible that the red color is a must because it's mentioned in the recipe and it might be a way to transfer the sulfur into the crystals. But only people could tell that have successfully finished this process. But they prefer to keep silent.

You can seal the lid of the graphite crucible with ceramic fabric and weight it down with iron.

Good luck!

Frank

Hi Frank,
Found the chemical moonlight... That's the same of the chemical moonshine!
And I think that hardly can be seen as a GW path.
About inbibition you can see the same exps in Oughtread (Sloane 698) about "normal" Dew.

Anyway I've to say something about your idea: I can't send any pic at the moment but the residual thick water of the last GW work (let alone in my fridge) manifested a lot of crystals with very long and strange shapes, but all crystal clear...

There's life in my fridge...

Zosimo

Hi Zosimo,

I am imbibing my light and dark brown crystals with the residual dark red spirit extraction from the fridge and the crystals get a redder hue. But are they clean enough?

But I think my mistake was that I only digested the CM with the spirit of GW for 3-4 days. There probably was not enough time to extract enough sulfur (red) and mature the dissolution before I put it supersaturated into the fridge.

Frank

Frank said: probably was not enough time to extract enough sulfur (red) and mature the dissolution before I put it supersaturated into the fridge.

Well, it happened that my GW remained one week or more, I mean the caput with the spirit.
But crystals were absolutely clear.
And the same colour have those one that are produced by the residual dark waters I forget in the fridge.

Again, in some ways, not always... it's like baking a cake.
A lot of variables: putrefaction, calcination, and so on... And the sum of all these variables.

Anyway, if I remember well, Nick said that not always we need to clean up perfectly the crystals...

Zosimo

Hi Zosimo,

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But crystals were absolutely clear.
And the same colour have those one that are produced by the residual dark waters I forget in the fridge.

If you crystals were clear, where then is the sulfur >>>the red color<<
Maybe it's got to do with your food. How much protein is required in the nutrition to get the nitrogen?

Gualdo said in Ruesenstein that dew, rain, snow are the reliable materials but GW is not????

Frank

Hi Frank,
In the same bottle here's to you, the shaped and long and sharped crystals in the bottom: some have butterfly or maze forms, but if you let the dark water drip they return more or less crysta clear. More or less.

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And here's to you some dry crystals with a dark/reddish color.
Or are they dirty?
The stink it's a little more plastical than dungy.

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May be, the nitre we are looking for doesn't come from food...
This is the reason why Glauber and others Masters connected GW with salniter even if Le Faivre, saying the same, explains and underlines that salniter is not the main form of niter?
Of course we know, and Philalelethes and Glauber told that GW can produce the best form of Salmiac.
Somebody empowers chemistry-bought salniter mixing it with fresh GW and letting it rest for a ph. month.
I tell you more: the Glauber Alkahest, made of salniter (Ternan - Gualdi path), smells slightly like GW.

Gualdi, like all the rosicrucians, fund his alchemy on Dew, for the reasons we can imagine:
Oculatus Habis!

Zosimo

Zosimo,

I can't really see the crystals but the color of the liquid is bright and dark red which looks perfect to me.

As mentioned in earlier threads some crystals can be transparent but it is the red ones we are after.

Some of my crystals are transparent some are dark red but most of them are light and dark hues of brown.

Frank

Crystals will fail to form when the solution isn't pure enough, and yet the crystallization process is what we depend on to obtain purity. But in an impure solution, it takes large quantities for crystals to be made. Small solutions tend not to form crystals since there simply isn't enough material to make crystals in there.

I would highly recommend sublimation to form crystals.

Thank you Nick.
This time GW crystals formed, you see in the last pics, from the dark residual spirit in the fridge. Don't know how, and in large quantity starting from 1 liter GW.

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Here's the largest crystal.

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Zosimo

Hey Nick,
Good to hear from you, thanks for the insight.

Zosimo,
Nice pics, thanks for sharing. A pointy needle, indeed.

Hi Nick,

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I would highly recommend sublimation to form crystals.

Thanks Nick! That's what I call insight! I was thinking and pondering over how to cleanse the crystals (mine are mainly brown). I tried it with dist. water but the solve et coagula and the evaporation of the supersaturated solution wouldn't give crystals. I tried it with spirit of GW but it wouldn't work either.

But I am positive the sublimation must be it. Because by it everything gets lighter more subtle and cleaner.

Do you use a Pyroflam pot with pyrex lid for sublimation or a flask?

Any special temperature?

Frank

Nick,

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I would highly recommend sublimation to form crystals.

I have followed your advice put the brown crystals equally spread out into the pyroflam pot put the pyrex lid on and slowly increased the temperature. A watery transparent vapour condensed on the lid and partly escaped but I think it was only the humidity of the crystals which were almost dry. Then the matter got dark and melted into a dark greyish mass.Little by little I increased the temperature but no condensation or sublimation took place at the lid. I finished off let it cool and found a dark gray CM.

What happened?



Frank

A proper sublimation requires a distillation setup, so no vapors can escape. It's also possible there just wasn't any salt present in the mix that could sublimate.

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It's also possible there just wasn't any salt present in the mix that could sublimate.

The material exclusively consisted of crystals so it must have only been salt.

I think the mistake I made was digesting the dried GW with GW spirit for only about 4 days. That probably didn't mature the stuff enough to turn the brown color into a deep red.

I'll make some more crystals and try it again.

Frank

∴N.D.C∴ said "a distillation setup"

So:

1) crystals imbibation for some days
2) distillation of the same crystals
3) and this could be all or...
4) eventually repeat these phases ...
Right?

Zosimo

...of course (distillation) just to produce sublimation...

here is a picture of my red g-water crystals



phillip

p.s. i had clear crystals at first so i re-dissolved them in warm dew water and left to re-crystalize. this is them as of today.

Philip,
Nice pics, thanks for sharing. Many different shapes.

I have re-animated 4 small different batches of obtained crystals, hoping to cleanse and purify. I used some warm
distilled dew from last year, hoping it's purity will pull more precipitate out (this is another new step for myself).

All have dissolved nicely with the exception of 1. This batch was removed the bottom of a slowly evapourating jar.
These ones were clear and I suspect not our crystals, but nontheless for the sake of learning, were collected.
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very clean except for some debris, but how clean could I create them I wondered?
But now in an hour with the very warm dew, no dissolving, none at all.
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My question to all, if not soluble salts, what are these?

kirk,
did the crystals make the container colder then the water you put in it, it might possibly be ammonium nitrate crystals. just that they don't have any red in it at all. in my experiments red crystals can be made just by leaving the jar of g-water cotton covered and left for months and having the crystals side by side they look the same processed or not, processed ones are thinner and smaller then the longer path. but in doing the process, you get the crystals very quickly compared to just letting nature do it. my crystals are larger because i let the crystalization take some time to work. during lunch today i was re-reading the new edition again which i do regularly to see that i know where to go at the next stage and if something was mentioned else where in the book about the same steps but on different processes. that said, it sounded easy, hopefully you didn't forget to digest the bottom resin with the top distilled water for a few days to make sure that the salts and sulfurs come out of the resin and go into the water before you re-distill the solution again, without that you might only have a part of the total elements from the resin, hence the clear crystals.

i'm not saying that mine are at all the right ones, and i'll still have to grind these crystals to a powder and weight then add 1:1 with a silver or gold of the same weight and furnace to see if it creates the ruby like stone, then will i know that possibly this might be the right one and if i follow the next few steps from the book and see if it does those and if it gets that far well then God has bless the work.

my crystals are from one batch only this is the jar it has been it for many months, no other path material has been in that same jar. and this is my result for just one jar full of g-water. making sure that i had eaten properly and not taken any medicines or the like during the last few day before. and collection around the full moon would probably help.

phillip

Philip,

thanks for the pics. When I redissolved my crystals in distilled mineral water and evaporated and put in the fridge again I did not get any crystals. Did not Andy say in a post that water takes away the matrix of the crystals and alcohol the yellow color?

I don't want to dicourage you but are you sure they are crystals? To me they look like dried amorphous matter.

Kirk,

if it doesn't dissolve it doesn't belong to the goodies we are after. So you could filter them out or discard them.

Frank

thanks for that post frank,
i just went after reading your post and did a quick test in my shed on the crystals, yes they are crystals, and yes it dissolved in water, i used cold water straight from the tap so that i could prove to myself that it wasn't the hot water that caused anything. so yes they are crystals and yes one of the crystals out of that same jar that i posted a picture from as a test just then dissolved in a cold cup of tap water. the water is now a cloudy cream instead of the clear water it was before the one crystal was placed into it.
phillip

Hi Philip and Frank,

Thanks for the info and advice.

Philip, the water did not get cold (it was hot prior) and I recall now that I did not reunite the top with
the bottom ("hence the clear crystals", makes sense). That's why we rehearse right? Good thing this has
been done in small batches.

Frank, they still have not disolved, time to put them aside. Boo Hoo, like a proud papa, don't want to
just turn my back on them... LOL

Good luck guys

> ...they still have not dissolved...

Ammonium nitrate is extremely soluble in water (118 grams dissolves in 100g water, at room temperature). It also dissolves quickly - same order of magnitude as sugar. A few quick stirs would have ammonium nitrate dissolving before your eyes. I doubt this material is ammonium nitrate.

- ramen

Hi Ramen,
Yes, these crystals are still not disloved 24 hrs later. So if ammonium nitrate,
acts that quickly and makes the liquid cold - these are not!

The mystery continues.... but not a very important one.