ammonium nitrate path

Does anyone know the path using ammonium nitrate?

travelingman777 wrote:

Does anyone know the path using ammonium nitrate?

You will first need to animate your Ammonium Nitrate by exposing it to night air and allowing it to absorb humidity, or you could simply mix it with some previously collected Morning Dew.

Afterwards, you use the wet Ammonium Nitrate to fix the Volatile Sulfur of your choice, via the Exposed and Natural Circulation (and away from direct sunlight). This will probably result in a colored crystal matrix (the color depends on your Sulfur of choice).

After the Sulfur unites with the Nature (by Niter's action alone ) - you may extract your Sulfur (which has now become fixed on it's own) from the Ammonium Nitrate matrix by means of a compatible Spirit (S.V. will probably get the job done).

This will leave clear and often needle-shaped Ammonium Nitrate crystals behind as a sediment, and your by-now fixed Sulfur will dissovle into the extracting Spirit, probably making it the same color as your crystal matrix was after the unification.

Separate the Spirit from the clear crystalline sediment by filtration, and afterwards evaporate it until you are left with a dry Salt. This is your Volatile Sulfur made into a Fixed Salt by the Natural Circulation. It will be able to convert other materials into its own nature, and it is also an Elixir in its own right.

This is only one of many ways... But why would you want to work in Particulars, instead of applying the above process to the Universal (Our Philosophical Water) in a relatively similar manner?

Well, I am using that particular because I have such an over abundance of it. AB when you explained that above information it was a little difficult to understand, but I guess I will work at this alone anyway. Thank you. I am also using the G.W. path as well.

J

travelingman777 wrote:

AB when you explained that above information it was a little difficult to understand.

What I wrote above is merely a simple adaptation from Van Helmont's 'Artificial and Hidden Ciculation'. It's been mega-enlightening for me, and you can find many relevant posts on this forum.

Also, when you work with particular and/or heterogenous starting materials, the right question to ask would be: "Does anyone know the path using ammonium nitrate and [.....]?"

And by [.....] - I mean the matter you need to fix by using the Niter...

It takes two to tango ( & )

Best of luck on your Path!

Hi Jamar,

Van Helmont has in all his life not been able to make the stone. Therefore I don't read his stuff.

Good luck Jamar,

Frank

Does anyone here know the path using amonium nitrate and another substance?

J

Frank wrote:

Van Helmont has in all his life not been able to make the stone. Therefore I don't read his stuff.

Frank,

You are quoting Jean Dubois. Bartlett writes differently about animating Ammonium Nitrate (page 81 in 'Real Alchemy'). Has Jean Dubuis made the Stone? Has Bartlett made the Stone? Who is wright? Who is wrong? Actually, who (among the authors you are reading) has made the stone and you know it with certainty? I will only know for sure when I've done it myself. Not before.

I never follow alchemical texts to the letter, and Van Helmont is no exception. I read, cross-reference, elaborate and dream. It is more common than not to get lost and make critical mistakes, especially towards the end of the Work, even if you DO know the correct matter(s) and the general mode of operation. I believe that even the most plainly written texts have some secrets hidden between the lines, and that there are factors at work which are beyond our conscious control...

For example: Not all waters assumed to be Philosophical are truly so. Morning Dew needs to be collected at certain times, places and in certain ways to have full strength Philosophical power, and to receive the influences from above and from below. Other mercurial waters are also not created equally Philosophical. If, for example, you will experiment with the process for the red crystals from "Potpourri Alchemia" you may be surprised to find out that it won't necessarily work as presented, at least not every time.

Fixed ideas may prove counter-productive to fixing the Stone. It is very much possible that many of the the best Authors we are reading have received their keys and methods (of which they write) from genuine anonymous Adepts, but failed to decode and employ them correctly. This does not necessarily invalidate their written information, but I think we should always remember that there is more to The Work than can be written about it.

I personally could have projected my hopefully correct red crystals on gold, and then wonder why the gold hasn't changed into the glass-like powder of projection - IF Nick hadn't warned me that you need to project in a certain way, or else the projection will fail. I haven't done the projection yet, but this is a wonderful example of the possibility of coming SO close and still failing in the end. That's why I tend not to rule out authors with amazing insights, even if they are assumed not to have made it all the way.

AB,

Thanks for the intelligent discussion. Yes I have often experienced what you are mentioning. Once I have prepared the philosophical mercury with silver according to Philaletha and combined it with gold. Then I moved it through the colors. It took about 6 months. What happened? I received a piece of gold which was bigger than the gold I added. I wondered why I didn’t get the red stone. Until it finally dawned on me that the silver in the mercury and the mercury were transmuted into gold not into the stone. Because there is a hierarchy from lower to upper metals. It ranges from copper/iron to silver gold and finally the red stone. I think the red stone is just gold with extra sulphur that tinges the lower metals.

So in my case I should have used gold for the philosophical mercury and gold or philosophical sulphur to combine it with the philos. Mercury. Since my philos. Mercury had only silver it was too weak to advance to the stone and stopped at the stage of gold.

Yes v. Helmont again. He was among the favourite literature of Philaletha (George Starkey) who was a 100% adept. Don’t believe me read Newman. Btw the master Philetha has never tried the dew/rainwater/snow path instead he made fun of it. He practised the solid way of Flamel, von Suchten, Newton, and others with the animated mercury as above mentioned. None of them was considering the dew path. So it happened that the greatest minds didn’t recognize the treasure of the dew path.

Jean Dubuis personally instructed me and showed me in his living room in France animated gold. He has made the stone in a number of ways but favours the path of the animated mercury. He has reached everything in alchemy and is now into influencing the brain and the psychic centers with electrical currents.
Frank

you guys have a lot of knowledge! I like this forum.

Frank wrote:

He has reached everything in alchemy and is now into influencing the brain and the psychic centers with electrical currents.

Now you've made me curious (-:

Has he rejuvenated himself with the Elixir extracted from the Stone?
Or just made the stone(s) of projection (medicine for metals)?
And if he has "reached everything in Alchemy" - why does he still need to stimulate the psychic centers in the brain with electric currents? Hasn't his Stone(s) assisted with that?

It's very difficult to know what - actuallty - somebody is doing on himself or teaching to others: meanings and will are so mysterious and I'll never think about their motivation and I understand that the grace of being creative it's the sweetest.
BUT... There's something that usually people look for, people of any kind and knowledge: that "realthing" is a method, an idea, a stimulation, to wiin the price.
Since the day that somebody explained the concept of "salvation" (I don't know if He was Akhenaton or Christ), from that day on people was ready to think that they had - of course - loose something.
For example I loose the connession with your email, Frank wappn'd?
Of course, no way, we all have to look for something, we are involved in Alchemy - - but to upgrade or empower our counsciousness it's not the same as awake in the universal mind.
That's to say being here.
Without any idea.
Without any effort or concern.
But doing things, absolutely.

Zosimo

Ab said

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Has he rejuvenated himself with the Elixir extracted from the Stone? Or just made the stone(s) of projection (medicine for metals)?
And if he has "reached everything in Alchemy" - why does he still need to stimulate the psychic centers in the brain with electric currents? Hasn't his Stone(s) assisted with that?

I believe he uses some spagyrical medicines. I don’t think he uses the stone. The stone from the animated mercury can be used both for transmutation and for rejuvenation.

A true adept knows that when you use the stone for rejuvenation that it affects the spirit, the emotional body and the physical body. Therefore you can’t just rejuvenate the physical body. E.g. an adept who has worked to advance himself by meditation and exercises for many years would never use the stone for rejuvenation because if he rejuvenated himself for say 5 years he would also loose his spiritual and emotional advancement of those 5 years. See Franz Bardon.

Master Dubuis is a physicist so the idea to speed up the chakras and the brain by electric currents came probably naturally to him.

Masters are also often very stubborn. E.g. I know Diane the wife of Bill Swygard who initiated the Awareness Techniques, a technique you can learn how to read the akashic records. Bill got for weeks the information from above to stop eating junk food. Do you think he laid off Hamburgers? No way. So it happened what happens to everybody who doesn’t obey the spiritual laws. He got a stroke and had to be moved in a wheelchair.

Frank

Frank wrote:

Once I have prepared the philosophical mercury with silver according to Philaletha and combined it with gold. Then I moved it through the colors. It took about 6 months. What happened? I received a piece of gold which was bigger than the gold I added

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This has nothing to do with the hierarchy of metals. It's just the simple two rules that it takes gold to make gold, and it doesn't matter what you make the Philosophical Mercury from, as long as you dissolve gold with it, you will make a stone that transmutes any of the other metals to gold. If you dissolved platinum with it, then you would obtain the Philosopher's Stone of platinum.

For example, by Paracelsus' Red Lion from the Green Lion of green vitriol process, he used copper to make a red stone which actually isn't the Philosopher's Stone, but just red philosophical mercury in a sense. And when that stone is 'fermented' with gold by doing a proper projection on the gold in the proper proportion, it turns the gold to red glass, which is the real Philosopher's Stone. At its first stage, its not even 1:10 in power but has to be multiplied once, and then its at the real "first" order, and one part will transmute 10 parts silver, tin, or lead to gold.

But the confusion arises when the alchemists try to test stones made in this way, and since they have almost no medicinal qualities when you fist make this glass from gold, some alchemists believed it was useless for the human body, and was only good for metals. But in fact the reality is simply the stone needs to be multiplied to the first order, and then it will not only transmute at a 1:10 ratio, but will also be usable as the powerful medicine and can be taken at the dosages written in all the alchemy books for the stone of the 1st order.

This whole technicality thing will be covered in my book -- it has lead to so much confusion in the past with alchemists not understanding what the stone is they created, and most of the time they actually had an Alkahest of dry Philosophical Mercury -- whatever you want to call the agent that is used to make the glassy stones from metals. Then they would confuse the powder of projection with this glassy stone made from metals.

Remember the fake photo of the Philosopher's Stone from Merrelle's book which showed what was obviously crystals of some chemical compound, most likely a nitrate salt or gold chloride. This led people to believe (including myself) that the Philosopher's Stone must be a crystalline substance. But it turns out the only stone that works for transmutation is the stone which looks like glass. A photo of it would look like shards of glass, not like crystals.

Then there was also the photo of the fake stone from the Cinnabar path with Roger Cario. That stone in the form it was shown in the photos wouldn't do anything if you projected it on lead, and if you projected it on silver, the most that would happen is you would transmute the silver to the clear glassy White Stone. So either his entire process was a lie, or he simply left out the crucial step of making the stone from gold using that stone from cinnabar.

I've now come to believe there are a great deal of things in nature that will convert metals to this glassy material, and those things in nature are just catalysts, much like a catalyst used in normal chemical synthesis of drugs, these "Alkahests" come in so many different forms, form so many different places, it's possible they don't all contain the same special energy. It's possible there isn't really that much special about these Alkahest, and metal itself might have always had this hidden property to change into this new brittle, glassy form which defies all logic with it's powers and it's ability to glow.

Frank wrote:

Therefore you can’t just rejuvenate the physical body. E.g. an adept who has worked to advance himself by meditation and exercises for many years would never use the stone for rejuvenation because if he rejuvenated himself for say 5 years he would also loose his spiritual and emotional advancement of those 5 years.

Obviously that statement is completely false. I have ingested plenty of the true Philosopher's Stone made in more than one way, and I never lost any of my skills; quite the opposite -- it has made me far more creative and intelligent and more insightful than I ever thought possible. If the ingesting of the Philosopher's Stone would really make a person loose all of his/her "spiritual advancement" there would have been strong warnings about this in nearly every alchemy book that detailed the effects of the stone. It was never mention once, except maybe in Bardon's work as you have cited.

If Jean Dubious has made the true stone, and really believes he isn't suppose to ingest it, then that is a crying shame. That's like a guy winning the lottery, then not cashing the ticket because he believes the money will ruin his spiritual advancement.

And obviously he has also decided not to make gold, maybe because he sees it as morally reprehensible, but what about using the money for building churches and charity like Flamel did? I have never got the intuitive feeling that Dubious has made the stone, and I've never met a psychic alchemist who listed Dubious as one of the people alive today who might have achieved the stone, so if he does have it, then he's doing a great job of staying off everyone's radar, and apparently including the Rosicrucians because they also don't pay him any mind. Dubious has never mentioned being visited by a real Rosicrucian, and they do indeed show up on the doorstep of anyone who makes the real stone, if not physically than at least astrally.

Isn't Dubious the same guy that was asked to invent a way to make the elixir from oak, and his answer was a simple alcohol extraction of the oak mistletoe? This doesn't sound like a wise alchemist to me.

I also thought he died quite a while back, but maybe I'm getting him confused with Barbault?


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Nick,

I couldn't agree more with your two posts above (-:

The Mercury/Alkahest/catalyst/powder of projection/multiplier or whatever we want to call it is only meant to convert other materials into their first natures. I always liked the saying "nothing tinges if it hasn't been tinged first". And regarding the sequence of multiplications, it says in the method for making the red crystals from Ph. Water that only after the second projection/fermentation with the crystals will the stone reach a 1:13 ratio (meaning it's probably much less after the first projection)

We could use this Mercury on different kingdoms in different ways, doing wet or dry projections on plant, metal/mineral or animal materials. But it is only a means to an end, not an end in itself. It may indeed have MINOR medicinal properties (as I've experienced myself), but it NEEDS to be projected on our target matter to acheive the whole array of desired effects. It is for good reason that many Alchemical texts repeat that it takes a man to make a man, gold to make gold, etc...

As for the rejuvenation thing... It is erroneous to assume that spiritual advancement is "time locked" to the physical body. Our bodies and brains do NOT actually contain our knowledge and spirit, but only serve as an interface to conduct who we really are into the physical realm. If anything, rejuvenating the body and increasingly opening up its channels (which is what the Stone does) will allow our true spiritual selves to shine through even more. The physical is temporal, but the spiritual isn't. If Jean Dubuis doesn't understand that, he still has much to learn (-:

if im right, Bardon talks about (magical) rejuvenation without support from elixiers ect. .In that case, you are likely to loose access to stuff that wasn't fixed properly like forgetting the floor plan of a huge building complex.

Hi Sac,

Master Bardon is supposed to be an incarnaion of Hermes Trismegistos the founder of Alchemy, and of Count St. Germain who has practised Alchemy, lived about 200 years and showed both transmutations into gold and precious stones.

In a summary of Bardon's lectures in the book Questions to Master Arion (Franz Bardon) he clearly states that the philos. stone will synchronically rejuvenate not only the physical but also the astral and mental bodies and consciousnesses at the same time as I mentioned in the post above.

When you rarely take a grain size of the stone it would most likely have a visible effect on the body. Myopia , hairloss, gray hair, tooth cavities etc. are signs of degeneration and diseases. Do you know any 100% healthy person. I don't. Rejuvenation only starts when you continually take tiny quantities of the stone. But I must add that I don't have the practical experience with the stone as Nick has therefore I may be wrong sometimes.

Franz Bardon books were written in the fifties so probably since the Schumann Resonance has so much speeded up it's no longer valid.

Frank

You can realize the Stone only because you are of the same matter.
In the italian language the word "mente" (mind) sounds like "IT lies", so we can say "pay attention to the mind because, may be, IT lies".
It's very easy to know, if we like, the effect of somethig that really affects us: love, money, powers, etc... because we can put it on the gaming board of life.
There's no reason to tell white lyes to ourselves.
You know very well if you have any real rest in your NAKED INNATE TRUTH or not.
May be it's better to improve ourselves before to take an improvement from the outside like a blissful or magical substance that we'll give us more power but (visions trips inspirations) insteade of being, first of all, free from the concerns of the world.
A concern of the world can be traying to be humble, or smart, saint, or powerfull.
It's like living of hopes projecting our films 24 H a day.
I'd better to strenght my mind making a living: inside this it's THE SOURCE of all magic and, because of it, I don't need that somebody enchant me with fairy tales about the (negative or positive) absolute power of alchemical substances that come from that SOURCE.
The only absolute power it's life-god-me and, of course, you're reading a "me" that's you .
Zosimo

hey,
I also am wondering what ammonium nitrate will do.
If you are familiar with what a menstruum is, you might try
using ammonium nitrate as the salt and see if it opens the gold.
I am very curious if this will work, the only problem is i dont have any
of it. I'll if i can buy it somewhere.

Nobody will answer you: read some chemical file about this substance and you'll understand why. It's a dangerous one.
Look in wilkipedia for the substance and, of course, for the dealers: probably they will like to know your name and your face.
Or you can distill from Salmiac, the famous finland bonbons ...

Zosimo

You can make ammonium nitrate from another nitrate salt, like potassium nitrate or sodium nitrate. You simply mix equal molar amounts of ammonium chloride with the nitrate salt, then dissolve in least amount of water possible, then place in fridge, and sodium or potassium chloride should fall out, and the water solution will contain ammonium nitrate. You simply evaporate and you have your desired salt.

Dear Nick, please correct me if it's the case,
Of course this you're explaining is not philosophical Sal Ammoniac but the one we can use - for instance - in the Kerkring menstuum, right?

I've plenty of method, and you explained as well, to give the philosophical life or to produce in the philosophical way the Sal Ammoniac...
When I was in Tunisia a cameleer suggested me a very interesting possibility.
But I've none for the use of cream of tartar: may be we can nurture it with vinegar and make the crystals of it and, after that, calicne it to make the fixed salt to make oil of tartar leaving it in the humid?
Because the potash (pearl ash) I can buy has no strenght for our Opus.
For this reason I start that topic.

Another question: why someone says that Salmiac - Sal Ammoniac - is a chloride NH4Cl and not a nitrate?
Twenty years ago I collected those "smoky snows" that you know - yellow or white - as Sal Ammoniac.

About bonbons: Apteekin salmiakki (Pharmacist's salmiac) is a hard, diamond-shaped candy made by the Finnish company Haganol. It was first sold as a cough medicine in pharmacies, a practice which continues to the present day. It has been manufactured with the same recipe since 1951, but now salmiakki are "salted licorice" bonbons.

Zosimo

The short article linked below mentions the ability of molten nitrate salts to store solar energy. Worth a read, in my opinion...

Molten Salt As Solar Heat Battery

Molten salts also act as good solvents, and I can't help wondering at the possibilities to use them for conquering and fixing various sulfurs.

Also a good read:

Molten Salts

And speaking of salts - there is also the Volatile Salt of Ammonium Carbonate, which can be obtained (among other sources) from decomposed urine, and has a low melting point.

wow... ammonium nitrate and potassium nitrate.
Just brilliant. They do open up the metals.
Too bad gold is so expensive right now. My advice to you
all is to buy as much gold now as you can before the
global economic crisis hits!!! god bless you all.