GW Method 3

Wilfried

Hi Wilfried,
Your mass looks the same as mine. If distilled + circulated crystals are of the same nature of the one obtained by the only-evaporated-spirit, and I think so, my experience is that - being that mass in the pics the actual state of your matter -I think you should heat a little the mass with a few spirit and evaporate it until you obtain again the crystals.
And put them in the fridge to have the bright red crystals.
This is my opinion.

Try with a little quantity of Them .

Zosimo

On the subject of filtered GW making a gold oil. How much metal leaf is put into the mix? Does it need to be 100% pure and could a gold coin be used instead? I would say the purer the better and alot of leaf is more likely to give you what you need. What are your opinions?

This sounds alot like something I found years ago. But that text never mentioned how its multiplied ether.

Zosimo wrote:

Hi Wilfried,
Your mass looks the same as mine. If distilled + circulated crystals are of the same nature of the one obtained by the only-evaporated-spirit, and I think so, my experience is that - being that mass in the pics the actual state of your matter -I think you should heat a little the mass with a few spirit and evaporate it until you obtain again the crystals.
And put them in the fridge to have the bright red crystals.
This is my opinion.

Try with a little quantity of Them .

Zosimo

Ok, well I looked at your pic zosimo and the main difference is the colour.

It may be important to differentiate between these crystals forming either white inside or deep red. Actually it is quite interesting that on that other forum at post # 27 you can see the difference.

Although in this case the difference was from unputrefied to putrefied and not from

putrefied and circulated with the spirit
compared to
putrefied and not circulated with the spirit.

At least I believe your crystals are from putrefied but not circulated GW right Zosimo?

Wilfried

AB wrote:

If there's a rational explanation, I'd have to go with Zosimo's thought about the overheating causing some sort of reaction. I was a very, very hot day in August, probably above 40°C in the sun...

I've evaporated the liquid before and once it got hot enough, the precipitant on the bottom did indeed explode, causing the nasty liquid out splash out everywhere, so I assume it must have been ammonium nitrate. But I had to heat it up a great deal for that to happen. Sunlight certainly wouldn't be able to do the trick.

Maybe ridiculously strong breeze caused some of your liquid to push up over the edge and splash out? Or maybe it spilled when you were setting it down or picking it up and you didn't notice. It's never happened to mine, so I don't understand why it would have happened to you.

∴N.D.C∴ said: I've evaporated the liquid before and once it got hot enough, the precipitant on the bottom did indeed explode, causing the nasty liquid out splash out everywhere,

Yes, that's what I'm saying and, probably, AB it's from Bahamas !

Hi Wilfried,
You’re a real expert.
And yes, it was putrefied but not circulated, and obtained by evaporation.

My compliments for your reddish crystals. As you can see my crystals are yellow-orange but previously, as a sticky mass, they look pretty the same as yours.

What surprised me was that you witnessed the production at 50 ml, when you started with 700: I mean, it’s a lot and in my case the production started whit 1000 ml produced the rests at the end, let’s say at 20.
Isn’t this the effect of circulation?
Or, it’s the quality of your GW?
Or… It’s distillation? …Filtering?

Probably, like in the waterworks, the quality of the materia prima (of course summed to others circumstances) can change greatly the results.

For what concerns GW crystals, I saw that all the times I put them in the fridge I obtained always the same effect of crystallization and that a very slight heating (a vessel on the iron-pipe-house-heater for some hours) dry them perfectly allowing the crystallization.

Le Fevre says that even the clear or yellow crystals work, they are less powerful, but they do their job and we have other examples of projecting material that are yellow (e.g. see Schultz in Rues. S.V.+ Mars).
And in a few days I’ll experiment with gold or silver leaves in an iron crucible. This is my quite assertive doubt.

For what concerns your Opus I think there’s no reason to filter & scrap when you can shape, dissolve and re-shape your crystals as you want and, probably, augmenting their power just diluting them with a little GW water and heating them.
Teufel! I don’t remember if I’ve used aqua pluvialis too to solve the crystals.

But, what is more important, is that all that I’m saying has to be checked by the fire!
So, always, try with little quantities (this I’m repeating to my-enthusiastic-self) and if we assume that the red color it’s the real thing or can be a sign…


Zosimo

Zosimo wrote:

My compliments for your reddish crystals. As you can see my crystals are yellow-orange but previously, as a sticky mass, they look pretty the same as yours.

What surprised me was that you witnessed the production at 50 ml, when you started with 700: I mean, it’s a lot and in my case the production started whit 1000 ml produced the rests at the end, let’s say at 20.
Isn’t this the effect of circulation?
Or, it’s the quality of your GW?
Or… It’s distillation? …Filtering?

Probably, like in the waterworks, the quality of the materia prima (of course summed to others circumstances) can change greatly the results. Zosimo

Yes Zosimo yours are yellow-orange.
And maybe the circulation of the caput mortum with the spirit speeds up the effect for the crystals to become yellow-orange-red.
So the circulation with the spirit can be viewed as a further putrefication?!
Without putrefication the crystals will be nearly white.


Regarding the point of crystallization:
I started with about 3000ml of GW
600 to 700ml is my clear spirit which i have stored in a closed flask now.
Moreover the 100ml is estimated and not exactly measured.

Wilfried

When looking closely at the pictures of your red crystals Wilfried I relized I've seen them before. I read of a fusible salt from GW that is suppose to make brittle metals. Based off that I messed around with GW and was able to materialize crystals much like what you show us. Is there a way to test if these are the correct red crystals? Besides making the powder of projection. The crystals I got dissolved in water and where very brittle. They also sorta stuck together and absorbed some of the red color of the mixture.

If what I found is the correct dry alkahest it means the stone can be made much quicker and easier.

i was reading about triple phosphates present in human "philosophical dew", also known by many other names, i am out of time on this computer but here is some good knowledge on it

http://books.google.com/books?id=pBoCAAAAYAAJ&pg=PA406&lpg=PA406&dq=triple-phosphate+of+soda+and+ammonia.&source=bl&ots=dwlKx0_oVk&sig=mCt3lclTp48JN8VP_nET7D2qM8Y&hl=en&ei=58xYS5vREIr6NbGYvN8E&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=6&ved=0CBYQ6AEwBQ

Did your materia prima, Wilfried, come from a mine in your zone or from a younger geologic area?
And... have you prepaired yourself in those days during the excavations with prayers and a particular diet?
And do you think that heating my yellow kind of crystals with luna or sun leaves can be a typical wasting of time?

Hi Felix,
Wich book we should find in this link?
I goggled the universe but I didn't found nothing GWible...

Thank you all for your precious insights.

Zosimo

yeshua wrote:

When looking closely at the pictures of your red crystals Wilfried I relized I've seen them before. I read of a fusible salt from GW that is suppose to make brittle metals. Based off that I messed around with GW and was able to materialize crystals much like what you show us. Is there a way to test if these are the correct red crystals? Besides making the powder of projection. The crystals I got dissolved in water and where very brittle. They also sorta stuck together and absorbed some of the red color of the mixture.

If what I found is the correct dry alkahest it means the stone can be made much quicker and easier.

Yes afaik these crystals can be made by chemicals ... or rather the putrefication can be helped and sped up by chemicals.
At the moment I am drying up the crystals, and still thinking about how to "seal" my crucible.

I will melt these crystals with gold because ultimately a projection will be proof of the successful work and for me it's way easier to distinguish gold from silver.

Wilfried

Zosimo wrote:

Did your materia prima, Wilfried, come from a mine in your zone or from a younger geologic area?
And... have you prepaired yourself in those days during the excavations with prayers and a particular diet?
And do you think that heating my yellow kind of crystals with luna or sun leaves can be a typical wasting of time?
Zosimo

Hi Zosimo,
we are talking about GW. Our philosophical dew has already everything in it we need for our Opus.
I collected about 3000ml some was from the morning some from during the day. (no special diet, and no alcohol or wine)
If you have enough crystals simply try a few grams with silver in a "sealed" crucible.

Wilfried

Hi Wilfried,
Yes we are talking about GW and the idea that some authors had to collect it from younger source.
Now I remember that I didn't used any dew for re-make the crystals bur only heat & fridge.
Let's see with a little silver.

My idea about the crucible it's simply: to realize it's enough the help of an ironsmith.
My ironsmith it's a very cute mate, quick and inexpensive + a little lutum and refractory cement + propane torch.

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I'm curious to hear about those salts Yoshua is talking about.
For any infos you can send to bonenove@yahoo.it. Thank you.
If you need a crucible just email me, I'll send you for little money.

Zosimo

And can your ironsmith make them 4 or 5" innder diameter?

Hi Word2give,
I don't want to use the forum for selling etc..
I already send you the answer.

Have a good Opus.

Zosimo

Zosimo. In google books type in fusible salt of (then the name of the GW) and it should be the first one to come up. There are a few more sources I studied, I'll post them later as I find them.

I tried to dry out the crystals but the mass is rather gum like now and not brittle at all. It seems like purifying is quite important.

Also I actually just evaporated it down.
So ill gonna reunite it with the spirit and distill the spirit off again this time watching the distillation until supersaturated (film forms).

Wilfried

Wilfried wrote: So ill gonna reunite it with the spirit and distill the spirit off again this time watching the distillation until supersaturated (film forms).

Or... could be enough (+ a little spirit) to evaporate the stuff and then put again in the fridge and, eventually, again, evaporate and...
With the crystals obtained by evaporation method it works like that. It couldn't be the same case?
Just to be prepared.
I'm fementing 6 lt of GW so I'll start in March with this Opus.

Ah, one thing: do you remember bros. the last suggestion about the crucible?
It was
non metal for dew
and could be metal for GW. I'm right?

Zosimo

If your crystals are more like a gooey mess and not nice and brittle then you need to simply dissolve them in clean hot water (just enough water to dissolve, no more) then place in the fridge to crystallize again. Repeat this until you crystals no longer contain any of the gooey stuff. All the gunk will mess up the process of converting the gold if you heat intend to melt the gold with the crystals to make the Stone.

Hey nick, is there any way to test the crystals to see if they are correct? I've found a very simple way to get crystals from GW. They are orange-red and quite brittle. they dissolve in water to. I've made them but they didn't look like the ones in the pictures so I assumed they weren't the correct ones.

I'm trying to make them once again so I can show a picture but I'm having some trouble right now. If they are correct then it means theres a very simple way to get these precious gems.

Ok, I redissolved my mass with my GW spirit and distilled of the spirit until a few specks/film started to form on top in the distillation flask.

thats the sign of saturation



And here are some pictures of the crystals sprouting this time as intended:




Wilfried

These look great, it's neat to see the crystals forming this way. Thank you for posting these.

Bill

Thank you very much Wilfried. I do not quite distillates.

Chysopée

yes it looks very nice. well done,.

I wonder if the crystals are really supposed to be red or that they just appear reddish due to impurities.

It seems like they are actually rather transparent white.
They are described as: transparent, bright red, dark red though

Also this time I used a rather small glass for crystallization therefor the liquid stood higher.
This actually seems to work better because the crystals grow upwards as high as the liquid stands.
Also the liquid stood totally uninterrupted in the fridge for over 7 days, I checked after 1 day and 2 days and nearly nothing had sprouted and I was really surprised when I checked again 5 days later.

Wilfried